good evening everyone I'd first of all
like to acknowledge the Gadigal people
the Eora nation the traditional
custodians of our land and pay my
respects to the eldest both past and
present and also acknowledge the people
of the very many nations who live in our
city and I'd like to acknowledge the
Aboriginal and Torres Strait people who live
in our city and now go to the prayer
Almighty God we thank you for the gift
of this remarkable City help us deal
with its needs and aspirations of all
its people with with compassion and
fairness um and to plan its future with
wisdom and farsightedness thank
you
where did that come
from all right
okay
good I'm
right
so tonight we have in attendance myself
Clover Moore the chair we have the
deputy Lord mayor councelor Robert Kok
and councellors Hy William Chan um ?
Elma Emelda Davis Sylvia Ellsmore Lyndon
Gannon Shauna Jarrett Linda Linda Scott
Yvonne Weldon and Adam Whirling we also have
Monica Barone and our executive of
the city are also in attendance so
tonight um we're live streaming uh this
council meeting it will be audio
visually recorded webcast live and
archived in the city's website so I'm
asked to ask you by legislation actually
uh to refrain from making any defamatory
statements and ensure there's no
personal criticism directed at any
speaker or
staff um when it comes to voting on the
items I'll advise the following all
those in favor say I those against um
and when votes are not unanimous I'll
ask Erin to uh to confirm the result um
so the first thing I'd like to do is the
confirmation item one confirmation of
minutes so I'll move the uh confirmation
of minutes seconded by Deputy Lord may put
that to you all those in favor say I
those against declare it said unanimously
thank you item two statement of ethical
obligation and disclosures of interest
so in accordance with 233a of the Local
Government Act 1993 Lord mayor and
councilors are bound by the oath of
affirmation of office um made at the
start of
council we undertake to uh Carrry out our
Civic duties in the best interest of the
people of Sydney um and uh the council
and to faithfully and partially Carrry
out all of our functions as elected
representatives and the also the powers
authorities and discretions vested in
us under the Local Government Act 1993
or any other act to the best of our
ability and judgement
you're not going to announce that I will
do that so are there any disclosures of
Interest councilor Hy
Chan thank you Lord Mayor I declare
that I have a pecuniary interest in item
11.4 post exhibition planning proposal 2
2828 ? Street and 6 to 2 param Road
forest lodge and that I am an employee
of the University of Sydney in the
Sydney School of architecture design and
planning and I will not be voting on
this matter thank you Council Chan
councilor
Davis thank you Lord mayor I'd like to
declare a uh sorry I have a significant
non-pecuniary interest disclosure due to
our ongoing Association for item 10
sorry resilient communities yes um I
have a significant non-pecuniary
disclosure due to uh our ?
? support Port Jackson ongoing
relationship with Australian with the
? indigenous Ministries and ?
Capital um in light of this I will not
be voting on this item thank you Council
Davis do I any have any other
disclosures Council Ellmore thank you
Lord mayor I made a non-significant
non-pecuniary disclosure in relation to
items 9.3 and 10.4 they are two grants
items and that I met with a number of
the groups who applied for grants but
were not involved or gave advice in
relation to the grants so and was not
aware where they were putting them in
until we got the papers so I'll stay in
the room and vote on those items thank
you thank
you uh item three minutes by the Lord
mayor item 3.1 Vale Helena
Carr so Council um this vale is for
Helena Carr and I'd like to
acknowledge um the former Premier Bob
Carr who is watching um this
online and welcome him Helena was an
accomplished businesswoman and wife of
the former New South Wales Premier and
Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr and
died on the 25th of October Helena died
suddenly after losing consciousness as a
result of a brain aneurism while in
Vienna with her husband of 50 years who
was at her side Helena was born in Parak
Malaysia she was the youngest of six
children from a multicultural family her
father Lois was Indian and her mother
Regina was Chinese in 1965 at the age of
17 a fiercly independent Helena convinced her
parents to allow her to come to Sydney
to study at Our Lady of Mercy College
Parramatta she then went on to major in
economics at the University of Sydney
where she was a resident at Santa Sophia
College this is where as a fellow
student and resident I first met Helena
and knew her as an intelligent and warm
young woman in 1971 while on a holiday
in Tahiti Helena met her future husband
Bob Carr they married in 1973 and often
described their 50-year journey
together as a partnership in both public
and private life which reflects the
strength of their love and commitment to
one another Helena was an accomplished
and successful businesswoman she joined
Lee Mardin in 1976 and later as a business
development manager and then a division
manager where she was responsible for
staff of a thousand she recalled that some of
her staff were quite frightened of her
adding that the only people who really
needed to be afraid were those who
didn't perform by the mid 1980s she was
the managing director of Lee Mardin Helena
then ventured into the printing business
with business partner Max Turner when
they purchased commercial commercial
printing company Meritt Madden Printing
and Advanced Graphics when her husband
Bob was leader of the opposition I got
to know Helena again meeting both at
official functions and regularly running
into each other a at Bill and Tony's on
Stanley Street where Helena and Bob my
Peter my husband Peter and I regularly
had morning coffee before we started our
day at this time I came to appreciate
how very intelligent and interesting she
was a bright and warm personality who
was always there to support her partner
Bob Helena famously avoided the
spotlight Edmund Capen the former
director of the art gallery of New South
Wales and friend described her as a
tower of strength but also a tower of
discretion others described her as the
business brains of the Carr family
operation the public commitment to stand
by Bob was made easier by her commitment
to her own career the most important
decision she ever made was to avoid that
dangerous intersection where her
business life might have met her his
politics she told the Sydney Morning
Herald in 1988 a partner's interest must
coincide with yours but his occupation
need not do so independent
self-confident and financially secure
she was not reliant on Bob or jealous of
his limelight but instead a steadfast
partner and supporter together with many
others I will remember Helena for her
charisma and charm her ability to
connect with people from all walks of
life and as someone who genuinely cared
and who was always ready to listen and
offer support I recommend we observe a
minute silence to commemorate the life
of Helena Carr and her enduring legacy as
an independent intelligent and warm
person successful businesswoman and
steadfast partner and supporter of the
former New South Wales Premier Bob Carr
and that Council expressed its
condolences to Bob Carr and that I convey
these condolences to the Carrs to
Bob Carr and the
family Council
Scott thanks Lord mayor and I thank you
for moving this uh Mayoral minute and in
doing so also acknowledge former Labour
Premier Bob Carrr and rise to pay my
respects at this terrible loss it was uh
such a terrible shock to uh wake up to
this very very sad and sudden news and I
can only imagine uh having just been
texting with former Premier Bob Carr only
really a day or so earlier what an
incredible shock it must have been uh
she was as you have rightly acknowledged
Lord Mayor an incredible tower of strength
for him uh but remarkably uh did not
seek out her own public um uh persona
did not uh seek out the limelight in any
way but just carrried on with him in such
an incredible humble supportive role uh
for so many years one can only imagine
uh the late night conversations they had
when he returned home from Parliament
but one can only imagine the incredible
wisdom uh and sincere advice that she
provided to him and there is no doubt uh
with all respect to former Premier Bob
Carr the incredible strength uh and
wisdom that he benefited from was a key
part of the success that he had uh
in being such a long serving and very
successful uh Labour Premier in this
state uh we all recognize and
acknowledge the shock and the hurt that
must have come with this very sudden
passing uh but also uh her incredible
wisdom and strength that he drew on for
so many years and we take this
opportunity to give our love to him uh
and all those who loved her uh and also
pass on our thanks uh that she did so
much for this state in the form of being
his partner uh and loved one when he
served his time as Premier thank you
thank you very much councilor Scott Deputy
Lord
Mayor Lord Mayor I too i' like to um
offer my condolences to um to Bob Carrr
um for his his loss it's very
very sad in indeed um I remember um
first meeting Helena back when Bob Carr
was Premier and there was this was
back in um in the late '90s when she
accompanied him to to many of this
Chinese Community engagements always
found her to be um very very supportive
um and also a very pleasant lady
we had we had something in common
that we're both from from Malaysia yes
so um so I express um condolences to to
Bob Carr and his family for this loss thank
you thank you de thank you councilor
Scott so I'll put the motion to you all
those in favor say I those against
declare it carrried unanimously now will
stand for a minute silence and respect
Helena Helena
Carr
thank
you item 3.2 practical and compassionate
action on drug St needed so Council I'd
like to acknowledge the deputy coroner
Harriet Graham who I understand is
watching on the live stream my minute
draws extensively on the report of Miss
Graham prepared into drug related deaths
by six young people at music festivals I
would also um acknowledge the appearance
of those young people who may be
watching over the next few months over
100,000 people are expected to attend
music festivals being held in Greater
Sydney and Regional New South Wales many
of them will be young attracted by the
music the atmosphere and the opportunity
to socialize with others sharing similar
tastes some will seek to augment their
experience by using drugs this is
despite politicians and others
delivering simplistic and ineffective
ineffective messages of don't take drugs
the intimidating use of sniffer dogs and
the threat of invasive and frequently
illegal strip
Searchers with this comes the risk of
young people experiencing serious
medical episodes which in some cases may
result in death yet despite this
successive governments have failed to
act my minute draws on the detailed
report released by the deputy State
coroner Harriet graah on the 6th of
November 2019 the report was the result
of her thorough and comprehensive
inquiry into MDI MD MDMA drug related
deaths uh and that that they're more
commonly known as ecstasy um of six
young people who had attended music
festivals between December 2017 and
January 2019 all six were described as
being gifted vibrant well-connected and
very much loved and they're dead her
inquest took extensive evidence over 3
weeks and it was supported by extensive
documentary and background research um
material filling 32 volumes medical
experts the police Festival organizers
Festival Festival attendees and families
and friends of young people who had died
were among those who gave evidence and
witness statements Miss gra con
concluded that much could be done to
prevent MDMA deaths her report contained
28 recommendations and they included
introducing medically supervised pill
testing drug checking at New South Wales
musical festivals funding the
establishment of a permanent drug
checking facility holding a drug Summit
um and policing should be directed
towards providing support and comfort
where needed acting to reduce or
minimize harm and concentrate on
organized drug dealing social disorder
and other crimes this included ending
the use of sniff for dogs and limiting
strip Searchers to strictly defined
circumstances her recommendations could
be summarized as reframing our main
priority from reducing drug use to
reducing drug
death the idea of a drug Summit was is
not new Miss M gra had made a similar
recommendation in her report on opiate
related deaths which she released in
March 2019 other leading experts had
been calling for drug Summit for some
time on the 11th of February 2019
Council unanimously supported these
calls and agreed to facilitate a
practical demonstration of drug testing
by medical professionals that
demonstration took place in Sydney town
hall on the 12th of June 2019 attended
by Health Community and government
Representatives the demonstration was
conducted by pill testing Australia who
conducted two drug testing trials at
festivals in Cambra as well as checking
drugs volunteer peer Educators explained
the context of the drugs and discussed
options some people disCarrded some young
people disCarrded their drugs in the
amnesty provided others said they would
reconsider taking their drugs or or
would consider whether they take their
drugs or take less despite the success
of the pill testing trials and the
weight of evidence supporting Miss graes
recommendations success of governments
have failed to take action immediately
after Miss graes report was released the
new the then New South Wales Premier
Gladis barlean denied that there was
evidence to support drug check a drug
checking trial and delayed the release
of a detailed inquiry into the drug ice
when the government finally responded it
rejected five recommendations outright
including pill testing and the provision
of secondary of second Med uh second
medically supervised injecting Center in
the meantime the ACT labor greens
government has established a permanent
drug checking facility and effectively
decriminalized personal drug use instead
treating it as a health issue in
February the Queensland labor government
announced it will introduce drug
checking at mobile and fixed sites in
contrast New South Wales new labor
government has delayed reform action
until after its proposed drug Summit set
for own date next year City morning H
reported in September that no provision
had been made in the New South Wales um
state budget for this last month the
Coalition of peak medical bodies
released an open letter to the premier
calling on his government to immediately
start drug checking with an
implementation pilot this summer F
Festival season they pointed out that
summer is forecast to be hot and warn
that high temperatures combined with
unexpectedly high doses of MDMA could be
fatal they suggested an evaluated pilot
program would provide Vital Information
for further discussion when it's held at
the New South Wales drug Summit I
support their call I also support calls
for the premier to set a date and
timeline for the proposed drug Summit
this could provide a valuable forum for
evidence to be presented considered and
discussed and enable informed decisions
to be made and worthwhile outcomes to be
achieved this was my experience of the
first drug Summit held over the 5 days
at Parliament House in 1999
significantly the Carr labor government
held it within months of that Year's
state election while the medically
supervised injecting room in King's
cross was its most high-profile outcome
it achieved much more it made 172
recommendations relating to young people
in drugs Treatment Services drug
education law enforcement breaking the
drugs and crime cycle and Community
Action we now have new issues to address
not least the risks of ass associated
with casual drug use by by young people
who are not addicted or drug dependent
and who otherw would otherwise live a
productive happy and crime-free life
this is in addition to the medical and
social problems associated with drug
addiction and the use of drugs such as
ice a new drug Summit could examine
proposals that could contribute to
minimizing the harm from elicit drug use
it could consider whether existing
approaches are working effectively or
whether they are perversely increasing
the risk of harm and death this includes
measures to ensure safety and reduce
harm that is why I'm asking you to
support my minute noting the
recommendations of the inquest into the
death of six patrons over the New South
Wales music festivals conducted by
deputy coroner Harriet graah in 2019
endorsing the open letter to the New
South Wales Premier calling on his
government to immediately start drug
checking with an implementation pilot
this summer festive season Festival
season and requesting that the New South
Wales Premier set a date and timeline
for his proposed drug Summit and
priorize actions that reduce the risk of
drug related harm and deaths including
drug checking pill testing and the form
of the policing of drug
use Council
Scott thanks Lord mayor I support this
Mar minute and thank you for moving it
I'd first like to begin by extending my
sympathies to the families and loved
ones of those who have lost their lives
it's an absolute tragedy to see these
young people uh killed by such an awful
means in the prime of their lives it's
so important that we continue to provide
support for everyone of every age who
wants to go and have a fun Festival
experience but we also want particularly
young people to understand the drug
related harms and that things can go
very wrong uh as you've noted Lord mayor
the premier has made a commitment to
hold a drug Summit in the first term of
this labor government to build consensus
on the way forward for New South Wells
dealing with harms out of this
incredible substance abuse you are right
to identify that the last uh drug Summit
held by the K labor government created
substantial reform that has led to
Lasting change in the way that we deal
with har reduction in this state and has
led to some very important institutions
being established right here in the city
of Sydney that have not only lasted the
test of time but in the case in
particular of the injecting Center not
seen a single death occur that is a
remarkable leg to leave not a single
death not a single overdose absolutely
remarkable outcome uh the government has
launched a harm minimization information
campaign from the 14th and 15th of
October they've held regular prominent
and consistent messaging from New South
Wales um drug and alcohol stay okay
campaign uh at all music festivals in
New South Wales messages like know the
signs and symptoms of harm and seek help
early stay cool and well hydrated sip
don't Gulp and these are broadcast on
electronic stream in between sets to
encourage Patron awareness of their
well-being and health uh nevertheless
Lord mayor I support your calls and the
calls of uh health professionals and by
the nurses Union and the health services
Union and many many other Professionals
in this space to hold a drug Summit to
hold it in a very timely fashion uh and
for the New South Wales government to
ensure that it is a comprehensive
assessment of the possibility of further
reform to ensure that people can stay
safe this is the most important thing
the prevention of death the prevention
of harm is where we should all be
focused on thank you thank you Council
Scott Council
elore thank you Lord may just briefly um
I strongly support this Lord Marl minute
thank you for look for those of us
who've as a greens counselor as well um
been campaigning for a long time around
Drug law reform there can be a lot of
fearmongering which gets in the way and
ultimately hurts people who are
recreational drug users and so it's
incredibly important that this Council
shows leadership in continuing to talk
about this as a health issue and backs
in the community in their campaigns I
think um with this one I strongly
support the drug Summit and it needs to
happen quickly but also support this
call that we don't need to wait for the
drug simmit to move for a pilot on pill
testing because the science is already
in the ACT trial which the um greens and
labor government have put in place I
think it's been going it's found seven
um deaths that it believes it's avoided
as a result of people coming in and
testing their drugs most of the drugs
that are tested have pretty much what
people thought they were going to have
in them but one in 10 um are ultimately
disCarrded by people because there's
other things and enough of those things
are dangerous that as I said they
estimate they've saved at least seven
people's lives so far and that's from a
small small jurisdiction doing a small
pilot um in addition to all the evidence
we have around what is happening in
Europe I wanted to do um just do a call
out that if the new southwes labor
government wanted to immediately um this
week the greens Upper House MP Kate fman
has a bill to start a pill testing trial
that will have its second reading speech
so where there is a chance for them to
move immediately before the summer
season and do this pilot even if the
pilot doesn't happen there are
opportunities and um for the New South
Wales government to change the way that
it polices even under the existing laws
because the way that it polices these
music festivals is dangerous by having
police there who are ready to strip
search or with sniffer dogs we know that
people walk up they'll often take all of
their drugs at once to avoid having them
on them um or they have a horrible
experience with police which means they
then don't want to report this balances
out and I would say overwhelmed any of
the good harm minimization education
campaigns you have if that's the reality
of the experience that everyone coming
through the door of a music festival has
so this is a really important um Lord
Merl minute thank you for keeping this
on the agenda alongside our um Advocates
at the state and uh other jurisdictions
it's it's really important and I hope we
get some change thank you thank you
Council Scott Council El I'll put the
recommendation to did you put your hand
up councel gner no I'll put the
recommendation to you all those in favor
say I
those against declare it code anany
thank you item uh 3.3 support for watero
South
relocations Council since the
development of the watero estate um was
announced by the New South Wales
government in 2015 that's seven years
ago residents of watero have endured
years of uncertainty many of the
community are fatigued by consultation
confused by various iterations of Master
plans and planning decisions Community
needs certainty about the project in
order to feel secure about their future
and their home the city's work with the
local community to achieve more social
affordable housing on the watero estate
as part of the Redevelopment I welcome
the New South Wales Premier and the
minister of housing's commitment to
deliver 50% of the housing at watero
South as social and affordable housing
with a minimum 15% of this housing
dedicated to aage and ta rate island of
peoples this comes after years of our
steadfast advocacy the land and housing
Corporation known as lack recently told
Baloo South residents that they'll begin
to receive formal relocation letters in
mid
2024 they've committed to providing
residents with six months written notice
of their relocation up to two office of
Housing and that they will have the
right to
return in the lead up and two and during
the the and after the relocations
residents will need access to various
forms of
support dcj New South Wales Health
groundwell Redfern watero have developed
the watero Human Services action plan
and La has separately developed a an
overreach an overarching people and
place guiding framework that includes
developing a human services plan that
could have be all very confusing to many
of the people I know in waterl I've got
to say I welcome a plan to support the
residents during the Redevelopment
process however the new southwes
government must holistically assess the
needs of the whole waterl Community now
and in the future and provide ongoing
services that support vulnerable
residents and promote a harmonious
Community the city has a history of
funding local organizations to support
tenants in New South Wales government
Redevelopment projects we funded red
fern Legal Center to provide teny
support and legal advice to Millis Point
residents we funded Counterpoint
Community Services to support Waterloo
residents through the Redevelopment
process we again supported red fern
Legal Center to provide tency support
and legal services for residents
impacted by current and future New South
Wales government Redevelopment projects
we support the work we've supported the
work of the Red Fern waterl AAL
affordable housing iance to build the
capacity of AAL Community controlled
organizations and the community to
advocate for increased provision of
social affordable
housing community development and
capacity building will ensure residents
are prepared for the relocation process
know they'll know what to expect and
they'll have access to resources to
support um the sorts of representations
they want to make individual legal case
management may be required to help them
understand their options their rights
and how to respond respond culturally
appropriate Community Support is also a
priority which should be managed by an
aigal Community controlled
organization the city of Sydney is
committed to supporting the water estate
community and local organizations
through the relocation process and I'm
recommending that the CEO consult with
the local community organizations
including Abel and taus Ro Islander
organizations in the waterl area about
what support residents were required
during relocation invi advise them um
about the city's available grant program
s and that I write to the minister for
housing calling on the New South Wales
government to develop a water specific
relocation policy and ensure that all
residents who wish to return to watero
have a genuine right to do so um
resource ongoing Support Services work
with the waterl community to finalize
and implement the Human Services plan
confirm when Homes New South Wales will
be created and how it will address the
social impact of relocations and ensure
culturally appropriate housing for ab to
State Islander households and um I I
moved the alternative motion that I Circ
circulated earlier today which had one
change which I will
um go
to which is to say develop a watero
specific relocation policy and mandate
that tenants who wish to return to
watero can be assured that they will be
able to do so Council Scott thanks Lord
mayor I support this amended
recomendation uh and in doing so i' just
ask if you'd consider in C1 where you've
um it says develop a waterl specific
relocations policy and you've said and
ensure that all residents just note um
incorporating the government's
commitment that all residents who wish
to return to watero South because as
you've noted in your speech that is an
existing commitment Lord mayor so what
what it's saying at the moment is
develop a watero specific relocation
policy and mandate that tenants who wish
to return to water can be assured that
they will be able to do so yes in
accordance in accordance with The
Minister's um undertaking sure that's
fine okay thank you
um Lord mayor you're right to outline
that in the past when public housing has
been sold off under the liberal national
government the city has provided
significant support to the tenants in
part because there was never a hope of
return in the case of Miller's point uh
all of that home all of those uh homes
have been turned over to permanently um
private dwellings uh and in the case of
uh many many many of the other
Redevelopment projects uh there was far
less or no public housing delivered as a
result of the Redevelopment indeed the
minister Rose Jackson recently commented
at a public forum that when she was
first briefed by the public servants in
her Department their first sentence to
her was to describe the bureaucracy as a
snake eating itself because it was the
case Lord mayor that in order to get any
funding for the Department to do
anything they had to sell off properties
first for that to occur and so of course
over time millions and millions of
dollars were sold off in the form of
public housing assets and far fewer were
ever put back if any and of course
properties were left to rot and not be
maintained it's why of course Rose
Jackson is creating Homes New South
Wales because the notion that you can
separate a person from their home and
say that they should
be supported by a government that
considers those things separate is
utterly absurd it's why Rose Jackson has
announced that of course they are
bringing the call center and the
management of the maintenance back in
house to ensure that when tenants call
the call center they're not speaking to
an outsourced provider who just
absolutely segments their concerns and
delays and delays but they are speaking
to a public servant a member of the new
southw government who has the ability to
case manage and support their concerns
and of course it is why she has made a
commitment to ensure that people who
wish to return to the waterl housing
have a right to do so and she can do
that Lord mayor because the government
is building more public housing than is
there now she is delivering more public
housing in a public housing crisis in an
affordable housing crisis than is there
to begin with Lord mayor it is an
uncertain time let's not make any bones
about the fact that if people are being
asked to move often from communities
they have lived in for many decades that
is a difficult thing and that is
important to call out they will need
support I'm pleased to see that the city
is offering support for these
communities I think that's a very very
welcome thing it will be difficult it
will be uncertain the timing is always
difficult to establish Lord mayor but
I'm really pleased to see that the labor
government and Rose Jackson in
particular has done everything she can
to provide provide Assurance to people
with as much information as possible
about what will happen to their homes
and that they will be able to move back
into the area Lord mayor so I support
this notice of motion I thank you for
moving it I thank you for accepting the
amendment uh and I look forward to
working very very closely with Community
during what will be a difficult
Redevelopment process to ensure that in
the end we have more public housing in
the inner city than we started with
thank you Council Scott Council El
thank you Lord mayor um just briefly I'd
strongly support your lord May minute
and I wanted to speak um in relation to
the amendment around mandating that all
tenants have a right to return and thank
you for including this I think
unfortunately the experience water is
one of the few communities where I think
there's now been a letter where tenants
say they have a right to return um yes
under the new labor government but the
current process for people when they're
relocated unfortunately under the labor
government has continued what was under
the former government government and
it's incredibly cruel as it says in your
um Lord Merl minute the process is up to
two office of housing offers of Housing
and the people that we've seen moved in
the last 18 months you get a letter and
it says this is the offer that you have
go look at this one and you're not told
what the next offer is you don't have a
right to a second offer so it's
basically a take it or leave it so
people have a and even if it's the
housing is completely unsuitable it's
been reported to me public housing
tenants are told what you're going to
get next is worse I won't tell you where
that is but I can tell you it's not
likely to be near where you are now this
is the best offer you're going to get
that's the reality of someone who's
being forced to move under current
relation processes like at 82 Wentworth
Park Road under this government it's
incredibly important that we as a
council start to tell some of those
stories that is the real experience of
people on the ground that looks
different than the paper it's incredibly
important that we commit that things
like there as that we will fight for a
mandate that people have a right to be
returned because it's not in a policy
it's not in legisl that people have a
right to come back to their homes that
they've lived in even if they've lived
there for 30 years and um a letter from
a government which which has histories
where people have a history of broken
promises is no kind of real commitment
so thank you in particular for including
that Amendment thank you so um I'll move
the recommendation with that one change
to C1 which says develop a water
specific relocations policy a mandate
that tenants who wish to return to
watero can can be assured that they will
be able to do so in accordance with the
minister Minister Rose Jackson's
undertaking so I'll put that to you all
those in favor say I those against
Carrriage un
nestly item 3.4 more publicly accessible
Parkland at Mo Park thank you this is a
good news story Council a transformation
is taking place in Sydney in the area's
neighboring Mo Park when Parkland at Mo
Park was allocated for a nine-hole golf
course back in 1913 the surrounding land
uses were predominantly IND industrial
it's been the policy of successive state
government since
1995 to convert the former South City
Industrial Area into the green square
urban renewal area and by 2040 up to
880,000 people will be living in the
area within 2 kilometers of Mo Park
while the city is creating 40 parks and
playgrounds as part of the green square
renewal small Parks don't provide the
same opportunity for people living in
high density Apartments to stride out
and distress renew or commune with
nature or kick a ball with the kids for
Generations much of the land originally
set aside for Park land at more park has
been alienated for other purposes large
areas have been dedicated to
professional sporting codes various
Recreational Sports and 18ho golf course
as well as Parkland lost to the Eastern
distributor the super center and the
ongoing Al alienation of onr Carr parking
which is set to continue unlocking more
Park land at more park for wider public
use is part of the Sydney strategic plan
sustainable Sydney 2030 to 2050
continuing the vision in built up inner
city areas where land is expensive is an
eight hole I think we need to ask
ourselves is an 18 hole golf course
really the best use of precious public
Parkland the question is fund
fundamentally one of equity and putting
public land to its best use in the
community interest the city's proposals
convert the existing 18-hole M Park Golf
Course into a nine-hole facility
retaining the popular driving rate the
clubhouse and the maintenance Depot and
requiring minimal conf reconfiguration
of the Fairway and greens when we ask
the community what they thought of our
proposal in 2020 unsurprisingly people
living immediately to the west of the
course in areas like Redfern water and
zetland were overwhelmingly supportive
of reconfiguring the course to create
public Parkland golfers especially from
the Eastern suburbs opposed the change
despite that there were 12 other courses
within 10 kilm meters of more Park that
our propos proposal retains a nine-hole
golf course and the popular driving
range last month following the city's
advocacy supported by U Paul Nicola
business Sydney and the former Premier
New South Wales Bob Carr the New South
Wales the former premier of New South
Wales Bob Carr the new Southwest Premier
Chris means announced plans to convert
up to 20 hectares of more Park Golf
Course into publicly accessible Parkland
when the current operation agreement
expires in
2026 I thank and congratulate the
premier for accepting the city's Fair
proposal it is important for growing
densely populated communities to have
access to Parkland the New South Wales
government will conduct public
consultation and release a discussion
paper to guide that consultation
including the current operator of Mo
Park Golf Course on the future of the
remaining holes and the operation of the
clubhouse and driving range it's
imperative that the city encourages
local residents to get involved in this
consultation and have their say on the
future of this public Parkland therefore
I'm recommending that Council commend
the new southwes government government's
commitment to convert up to 20 hectares
of the golf course into publicly
accessible Parkland when the current
operating agreement expires in
2026 and that the CEO encourages the
community to participate in new southw
the new southwes government's public
consultation progam process that the
city and that the city makes a
submission in response to the discussion
paper um so I'll put that to you
Council Council Scott thanks Lord mayor
um it was great to be able to uh be with
you and the premier to announce the
government's decision when the lease
expires on more par Golf Course to uh
publicly consult with the community
about um the form of public space they
would like for half of that golf course
of course having a nine-hole golf course
remain on the site uh Lord mayor I've
submitted an amendment that I'd like to
ask you to consider uh in point B1 um
just to delete the words communicate the
successful outcome of the city's
advocacy to convert up to 20 hectares of
the more Park Golf Course to accessible
public Parkland and so Lord mayor that
leaves the city's CEO uh encouraging the
community to participate in the
government's public consultation process
about the future of this important
Parkland and to make a submission Lord
mayor but I just think it is um a public
consultation it's important not to um uh
make that a political
communication uh Lord mayor we know that
in green square uh it was zoned for
30,000 people that's now up to 880,000
there's an incredible shortage of green
space in this area uh and uh I
understand how passionate golfers are
about this space I've certainly heard
from many of them over the course of the
last few weeks since the announcement uh
but L May we need this open Green Space
it is still the case in the city of
Sydney currently that we have a huge
shortage of the amount of Green Space
per capita and particularly surrounding
the areas of green square zetland uh and
those uh areas if you're going to have
80,000 people living in that area it is
incredibly important that we open up
that public space uh I'm sure we will
hear from the community about whether
they like passive Recreation space
whether they like sporting Fields
whether they'd like ovals what they
would like to see there uh but it is
incredibly important to ensure that we
deliver those 880,000 residents uh one
of the densest parts of the world uh
enough green space to be able to have a
livable Community Lord mayor uh so I
support this um meril minute uh again it
was great to be part of the announcement
with you and the premier uh and I hope
you can support the
amendment thank you Council Scott I
don't support the amendment I think we
should um uh do as I've I've recommended
to council communicate the successful
outcome of the city's advocacy to to
convert up to 20 hectares of more Park
Golf Course to accessible public park
land and encourage the community to
particip ipate in the new South WS
government's public consultation process
on the future of this important Parkland
this is really important because I have
to tell you last time around when we
were communicating this to people um
there was the most amazing um uh
campaign from golfers from the North
Shore and the Eastern suburbs who really
like this course um and they they drive
their very expensive Carrs I got to tell
you when I was at a meeting of the the
community board just a week ago that
there was even a Rolls voice in the Carr
park so um it's it's not for the people
of Red Fern and S Hills and watero and
green square this has been used by
people who drive to to more park park in
the park uh and and and play golf and
um and as I said in 1913 when this golf
course was um created by the then city
council who also built the clubhouse the
surrounding area was industrial but it
has been um the commitment of both
successive governments labor and and a
coalition to have this former sdne
Industrial Area become the major Urban
mule area of Australia and the 80,000 is
made made up of the 60,000 that's
expected at Green square and the 20,000
that's expected in red fern Waterloo
redevelopments we've been talking about
just one of the waterl redevelopments
tonight so um and that's going to be
within 2 kilometers of more Park so this
is this is a really important need and
it's it's fantastic that um the the
premier has has listened and responded
and it's really interesting that that
former Premier Bob Carr was the one who
uh advocated to him because he was
actually the premier when Craig nlls
announced that uh the forers South City
indust would become the future um uh in
uh the future um major housing area of
of Sydney and all of Australia then so
um there's a sort of continuity there
that I think is really nice
Synergy but i' I'd like to lead the
recommendation as I have put to
you so um Council won are you seconding
the amendment or you wish to speak yes
is there a is there a second of for the
amendment uh Council Elmore Council
won thank you Lord mayor I acknowledged
that previously I met with Club
management I also acknowledge the fact
that my grandson who's now four has been
attending this golf course with his
uncle his grandfather and his stepdad so
this has been used not by people that
use uh rolls-royces but rather that
people use Holden so in terms of the
courses management and members um they
are really disappointed in this uh
announcement it is a public course it's
not the RO Sydney I note that the moall
park is one of the more accessible golf
courses in the area it's not exclusive
and it doesn't cost an arm and leag
those people that do live in the Eastern
suburbs not all of them actually have
the million dooll homes they do actually
access the likes of these golf courses
but they cannot do it in their local
areas because they cannot afford it this
is a public course and can be accessed
by those in a a certainly less expensive
way it is a bit Rich for successive
state governments to sell off sves of
settlin to major developers and then cry
foul when there isn't enough Green Space
and I certainly take exception to some
of the planning that's taken place that
has not ensured that there has been
green spaces it's important that the
community be consulted going forward and
I support those recommendations but I
will not be voting for this motion I'll
either abstain or vote against as I
don't think it's a state government's I
do not believe the state government
should be commended for such a
motion
so do I have any other speakers um I'll
put the amendment to you all those in
favor say
I the
amendment those
against so I'll put the motion to you
all those in favor say I sorry Lord
mayor can I just ask a question then
what is the communications budget for
the city's advocacy on this item um I I
can't tell you what that is now
councilor Scott we're dealing with a
motion about doing it so I'm sure we can
get the information from the CEO when
that work take takes place could we ask
what the funding capies please then
before it's considered sorry could we
ask what the funding cap for this item
is because it's not detailed in the
resolution how much City money will be
spent to undertake this
resolution well the see can't say now
that that'll have to be uh um Council
will be informed probably by Co update
perhaps yeah when we have that
information so um sorry Lord mayor
there's an existing
budget and there must be a
Communications budget within the city's
budget so how much of the city's budget
that we have approved is dedicated to
this either it's new and it's a new
budget in which case we have to resolve
an amount or it's not new and it's in an
existing bucket how much of the existing
bucket will be used we can't resolve it
without that
information well I don't agree with that
um Co do can you clarify the position or
repeat what I've said um so Lord mayor
certainly we could provide some details
about what that communication will
entail if the um Bo me minut it is
passed so you're asking us to do it and
so now we know what we're being asked to
do um generally the communication that
we do around things like this is a lot a
lot of it it would be social media where
we would say to people um this has now
been resolved uh and then we would say
you know here there is a discussion
paper if you would like to make a
submission through Sydney your those
sorts of things so a lot of that would
be social I suspect we might do a letter
box drop um that's that's often what we
do when we're asking people to know
about something and to participate in
some consultation so they would be the
usual elements uh as Lord M said we're
just being asked to do this so um and
also the discussion paper hasn't been
prepared we need to know what the state
government is planning to do in terms of
that discussion paper and how they plan
to communicate and then I guess we could
prepare a a CO update just outlining
what we're planning to do thank you Lord
mayor thank you CEO thanks uh Lord mayor
and then through you Lord mayor given
we're asking the CEO to do it I assume
it will be done in a non-political way
so it will be issued either under the
name of the CEO or under the name of
Staff no I I have the delegation to
speak on behalf of the city and it it'll
be I would expect would be um part of
our normal Communications but it's
really important that um we let people
know what has happened officially and
that we um encourage them to make
submissions to the government this is
really really important um for people
who have lived in the area for many
years and watched this bit of more Park
lost and that bit of more Park lost to
whether it be a road program or a or the
Super Center um and um the the high
fence around the golf course with a keep
out sign on it uh for all these people
moving into these um very dense
Apartments um this has been a really big
issue for a long time and our people
will want to know that the government is
doing this uh and that they have a right
to tell the government that they
supported and what aspect of um PA of
recreation that they they're keen on
having in order to um to exercise with
their family that's really basically
what it's about it's really really
important um that uh that people
understand that it that they they need
to do this because last time round the
the golfers as I said from the north and
E subers mounted a huge campaign and the
liberal the coalition government uh gave
into that and that was incredibly
disappointing so I'll put the amendment
to you all those in favor done the
amendment sorry I'll put the motion to
you all those in favor say
I those
against Carrried with three
against um yes look um I I have been
asked to um to ask Council if they're
happy to have photographs taken from the
gallery it's not usually the custom
unless we um ask the council if they're
happy about that I'm happy about that
does does anyone have an objection to
photos being taken no so if you wish to
take a photo you
can
sorry oh so I'm going to put um no yes
so I'm now going to move a procedural
motion that item 15.1 barlay for Ati may
be con considered um prior to item four
so we're going to go to that next and
I'd like to welcome all the relatives
the the children the grandchildren the
great grandchildren of of of of Auntie
esma who are here um in the gallery
today very warm welcome to you and um
I'll put the procedural motion all those
in favor say I I sorry second to Lord
mayor to you or those in FA say I those
against declare it Cy thank you um
so Council Davis thank you Lord
mayor I just want to thank everyone for
their patience today the timbery family
that's here today and thank you for
coming in and thank the city staff for
supporting uh this whole process which
is wonderful an Esme was the youngest of
five children born to Hubert timy and
Elizabeth Butler
she was an extraordinary lady a proud
bigal woman and renowned customary shell
artist who had a huge impact across our
first Nations and broader communities
especially the city of Sydney AE asme
was born at uh at one of her family's
fishing camps at Hill 60 which is a
Heritage listed Aboriginal site at
Military Road Port camper the city of
woolongong in New South Wales and as
May's great grandmother was fondly known
as the Queen T Queen Emma Timber and
lived with the hill family in SAR Hills
at the age of 10 a saltwater woman
Auntie Esme grew up on Seafood provided
by her father Hubbert and grandfather
traveling up and down the coast feasting
on seasonal fish for those who didn't
know the timbury family they are a
prominent Aboriginal family with
cultural connections to the coastal
Sydney
and the South Coastal in Sydney's
history her family a well-known
fisherman dating back to the great grand
to the great-grandfather Hubert and
great-grandfather George trimmer timbery
who who applied to the government and
was granted a boat to gain a livelihood
by fishing for his community and almost
150 years later the New South Wales
government named one of their Riverboat
fairies after the great granddaughter of
George trimmer timbery and S May has
been described as a proud member of the
timbery family and she continued the
Timur artwork traditions and is
wellknown and internationally renowned
for her shell work shell work became a
traditional practice dating back to her
great grandmother Queen Emma Timur AE
Esme started showw work when she was a
little girl learning to watch learning
by watching her mother and aunties the
first thing she ever made was a brooch
at the age of five as she got older she
Advanced to slippers jewelry boxes and
harbor Bridges and she went on to when
the New South Wales indigenous art prize
in 2005 for a beautiful blue Harbor
Bridge the timbery family is so proud
that this family tradition and customary
practice continues with her daughter
Marilyn who's here today
today uh who I had the pleasure of
meeting earlier this week at Philip Bay
along with family here today Michelle
and
Karen in 2007 ABC made a beautiful
document documentary about Auntie Esme
and her shell work she sells seashells
Auntie Esme had nine children 26
grandchildren 51 great grandchildren and
five great great
grandchildren well wow the creative
practice lab worldclass performance
building at the University of New South
Wales was named the Esme Tim creative
practice lab in her honor Auntie esay
had a very F had very fond memories of
day trips by the fery with her family so
it was only fitting that the transport
New South Wales in
2022 acknowledged uh Auntie Esme for her
achievements by also naming one of their
River class fairies after to her we are
very fortunate that Auntie esme's work
is on display throughout our city
including the Museum of contempor Art in
2015 Esme designed a beautiful sstory
shell art installed in the southern
Gateway of the bangaroo Waterfront
prominade in 2002 aune Esme shelled our
very own landmarks in Sydney including
the opera house and the Centerpoint
Tower and her favorite piece to Shell is
the Harbor Bridge she is Remembered in
the laparo Aboriginal uh Community as a
highly respected Elder and a source of
knowledge her family and and we will
miss her dearly but should but should be
so proud of the impact an has May made
during her 92 years and her significant
contribution to our city and Nation Lord
May today's Viet is a first step for the
city of Sydney to recognize yet mother
one of our treasured Elders who has made
a significant contribution to the truth
telling for our nation thank you thank
you counc Davis I'm very happy to second
that thank
you so um I'll put the motion to you all
those in favor say I those against
declare it Carrried unly now we'll I move
that we um stand for minute silence to
uh in respect of Auntie Esme
for
thank
you so thank you very much for coming
in wonderful to see you
all
here's one of the great great
grandchildren going
out one
person or one
couple so we're going to five now are we
sorry item four memoranda by the chief
executive officer there are none item
five matters for tabling 5.1 disclosure
of Interest returns so I move that there
the um disclosures of Interest returns
to be received and noted seconded by the
deput Lord mayor put that to you or this
say I those against deare Carrried deny
thank you uh 5.2
petitions so we have a petition from uh
councelor Jarrett um to reverse Sydney
mayor's decision to prohibit the town
hall being lit with white and blue
Council Jarrett it be resolved that the
petition be received and
noted sorry thank you Lord mayor um I've
been requested by members of the um city
of Sydney Jewish Israeli community in
particular a lovely woman Philipa Jax
and some
1,129 residents of our city um to
present this her petition with regard to
the failure of this Council to stand up
against the r of anti-Semitism in the
city of Sydney and specifically to
denounce the acts of anti-Semitism that
we've been seeing in the last um couple
of weeks as you'll know at the last
council meeting I moved a notice of
motion to attempt to stand with those
members of our Israeli Jewish Community
who' have experienced increasing and
unnecessary amounts of anti-Semitism
both here in Sydney and New South Wales
what we all thought had been relegated
in the 20s and 30s has risen its head
again here in the City by tabling this
petition I want to highlight that
residents in the city of Sydney feel let
down sCarred frightened and ostracized by
its
Council the fact is that this petition
is a byproduct of the Lord mayor's
failure to address Miss Jackson and her
community's own individual
correspondence is presented to you in
the um Council papers and it's
symptomatic of the bigger issue not
listening to our community and not
working with our
community whilst there are multiple
sides to this very sensitive issue the
position taken by the city of Sydney
highlighted the complacency in the face
of increasing amounts of hate and
diversity division sorry in our
community the Lord mayor's minute
denounced terrorism and anti-Semitism in
the broadest sense but fail to account
for the direct issues that have affected
our residents and their safety this
petition recognizes the anger and
frustration from our Jewish Israeli
community in our failing to specifically
address the events on October the 7th
and the subsequent anti-Semitism that
we've seen arise here in Sydney
therefore I table this petition to raise
the importance of the desire for
residents in our city to have their
concerns heard in a context where we are
meant to celebrate diversity and
encourage welcoming our communities it's
quite clear that there are sections of
our community that feel that this is not
being met I commend the petition to
you um thank you uh councilor Jared um
the petition Miss uh Jax initially wrote
to me on the 23rd of October and sent a
copy of the petition to me and she rece
and I and I responded to her on the 8th
of November and I said that at our
meeting on the 23rd of October Council
unanimously resolved to endorse my Lord
Merl minute on standing with our
communities and the cause of Peace this
included a commitment to be con that to
be consistent with the objective of
maintaining social harmony the city
should not display any partisan symbols
associated with the current conflict
that was supported unanimously and I had
told u m m Jacks that on the 23rd of
October so I'll put the motion to you
that to be received and noted seconded
by Council Ganon all those in favor say
I those against declare Carrried thank
you item six report of the corporate
finance properties and tenders committee
Lord
mayor thank you Lord mayor um LA mayor
we had the um uh the corporate finance
and property tenance committee last week
um we had um
six eight items um including
confirmation minutes and statement of
ethical obligations and disclosures of
interest um in the on on the agenda uh
La may we had um robust discussions on
the um on on the item
um on the agenda and ID like to move the
um the items in global uh noting that um
LA mayor noting that item
6.7 has a relevant to
memorandum May I'll move the items in
glob so that's seconded by Council elore
I'm happy to second that Council ADM
Council
Elmore
I think
that ah too many mics on once um took a
long time to say I wanted to ask the
staff a question and potentially move
administrative Amendment for 6.3 so I'd
like to request that not be included in
the global so item 6.3 you want it taken
out um so we'll move sorry can I also
have 6.7 up thank you
6.7
so may move the paper in globo apart
from 6.3 and 6.7 um that's correct L I'm
happy to second that I'll put that too
all those in favor say I those
against um I'll put that again because
some people didn't raise their hand um
I can you just repeat what you're
putting to the council so the has moved
that all the items be uh dealt with in
global because of the uh long discussion
and the votes of last Monday two
councilors have asked for items to be
taken out and they are 6.3 and 6.7 so
now the deputy Lord mayor is moving all
the items on the finance paper apart
from 6.3 and 6.7 and I as a second I've
seconded that so I'll put that to you
all those in favor say I those against
declare it Carrried unanimously thank you
Deputy Lord mayor um Lord mayor item 6.3
is um the city of Sydney 2022 23 annual
reporting and Public Presentation of the
2022 23 financial statements and audit
reports to council the report uh
presents the city's annual financial
statements for 2022 23 along with the
Auditors reports to the public which are
currently on exhibition until uh 28th of
November council is asked to adopt the
2022 23 annual financial report subject
to submission received and Endor the
2022 23 annual report including the
statutory returns financial statements
delivery program to 2022 to 26 progress
reports for 2022 um 23 as shown um at
the attachment A and C uh Council should
also note that the 2022 23 annual report
on the city's inclusion disability
action plan uh 21 to 2025 and the 20 22
to 23 green report in the
attachments um La I'll move the
recommendation thank you deput mayor so
now we'll go to um I'll put I'll put
that to you all
the second
that I I have
second
so okay Council
elore I think the Lord May um thank you
I've got a question for staff a
potential Amendment but in case this is
already addressed in the papers I'll ask
the staff the question first um this is
a great annual report I um as always
enjoyed digesting all the affordable
housing data there's an amazing amount
of data particularly in the summary um
we previously moved an amendment at a
council meeting that we start reporting
how we're tracking against our
percentages of affordable housing every
quarterly report this um if I can direct
counselors to the annual report delivery
program progress report if you have it
with you that's where we summarize this
is our Target and this is how we're
going against it so by 2030 there'll be
a 15% reduction in waste um this year
there was an 11% reduction Etc um very
straightforwardly reported we unless I
have missed it in the papers I don't
believe we report how we're going as a
percentage of built affordable housing
for the last Financial year so if I've
missed that in the report please let me
do we do um report it in terms of public
housing and there's some great other
data that um I think should stay in
there but that headline figure to we
know um our goal is 7.5% of social
housing by 2036 and 7.5% affordable
housing by 2036 we're at 7.8% for social
housing so sadly we think we're going to
go backwards because of what state
government's doing um but I don't see a
percentage of how much affordable
housing we we is in in the city against
our 7.5% if I've missed that I know
that's a bit technical I was reading it
but I think um those are our two
headline figures and we have a lot of
other data but I don't believe we have
that data if um if we don't I would like
to move an amendment that we include
that data in the final version of the
annual report but I'll ask staff if I've
missed it if it's in there
somewhere see you I'm through you Lord
mayor so
I so I'm looking over here Council oh so
that's in the annual report so what you
would like so I'm just making sure I
understand what you would like is that
in our annual report we report against a
the percentage of the different
categories of housing as a percentage of
total housing that
year I think we couldn't do
that anyone saying no over that side of
the table I think we can do that um we
will qualify it obviously because as all
housing goes up the the number of social
affordable housing could have actually
increased but as a percentage it may
look like it's decreased so we will
qualify that but can we do that we could
do that I think Mr y wants to say
something do you wish to say
something do a number can you turn that
off so he can turn his
on it would be easier to reconcile the
actual number number of
built by literally getting the status of
each development but
against the number of total Apartments
built at that time it would be uh
perhaps a little bit more imprecise or
difficult to get the exact number of
private Apartments having
reached uh occupation
certificate
okay if I may Lord mayor if it's okay
and if if that that we will report the
number and if and and if we can a
percentage so I I understand what missan
is saying is because exactly when do you
count something you know is it you know
if it's nearly that near the end of
completion anyway I think we'll give it
a go is what we I'm saying as long as um
Council El that's okay that we both have
a number and a percentage um if possible
thanks thank you that's great on that
basis I will move the following
amendment that I think does that job so
that we um endorse the annual report and
then I've proposed proposing an
amendment that we add at the end
including the following amendment that
the reporting on progress against
council's affordable and social housing
targets be updated to also report the
amount of affordable housing social
housing that has been built that is
completed if possible as a percentage
for the 2023 Financial
year okay so that seconded by Council
Ganon I'll I'll put that to you all
those in favor to say
I those against declare it C uny thank
you so now I'll put the um
amended motion the amended
motion all those in favor say
I those against declare Carr uny thank
you item
6.7 D May thank you LA mayor um LA mayor
item 6.7 is a tender um T2 2022 906 for
tree maintenance and urban Forest
Services um the report asked Council to
accept the tender offer of tender appe
for the Northern Area and tender A for
southern area of the tree maintenance
and urban Forest Services tender for
period of six years with the option of
an extension of two terms of two years
each and there is a relevant to memo um
in in the um in in the papers and the um
the memo provides further information
about the percentage of apprentices and
trainees uh employed under the contract
the training provided and information
about how rates of uh charges are
adjusted annually um in reference to the
CPI and wage increases lot mayor I'll
move the
recommendation so that's signed
by Council
Walling and Council Scott thanks Lord
may I thank the staff for the additional
information noting that there are two um
trainees employed as part of the current
contract but that that may not continue
uh and also noting that um the the
tenderer has um a right to come back and
ask for annual um changes to the prices
of the contract I also note the advice
in the relevant to uh that uh it is
proposed uh that the staff will be paid
according to the award uh and yet there
are critical shortages of skilled labor
that exists within this industry Lord
mayor um for all those reasons I don't
support uh Outsourcing the tree
maintenance of the city of Sydney's
trees uh it is the case that we have an
offer on the table from the state
government to examine the viability of
paying for trainees and Apprentice not
just to this Council but to all councils
in New South Wales and so what we are
doing is sacrificing the opportunity to
receive some government funding for
these two positions in Outsourcing it
where that won't be possible uh we also
are um entering into a contract that has
significant pay variability uh as the
deputy Lord mayor has outlined uh that
is able to be renewed a number of times
this is a very significant long-term
agreement sacrificing the ability of the
council to bring this in in house to
train our own people to accept a state
government subsidy to do that and most
importantly uh to generate an excellent
outcome for our residents by ensuring
that we had quality services it Remains
the case in the city of Sydney at the
moment Lord mayor that if we have a sign
that is bent or graffitied we have to
call two separate contract s to fix the
graffiti and bend back the sign uh if we
have to call a contractor to uh support
our tree maintenance as well as well as
all the outsourced waste uh and
recycling that we do in this city of
Sydney uh there are fewer and fewer
services that this Council offers itself
I personally find that very
disappointing it's not a future for the
city of Sydney that I want to see uh and
it should not be the case that the
council continues to Outsource these
kinds of matters particularly in light
of the offer from the new southw
government to support and pay for
apprentices and trainee ships in an area
of skill shortages Lord mayor so I I
continue to strongly oppose this item so
just just um some background information
um so the contracted Service delivery
has been in place uh for the city's tree
since 2008 as tree maintenance is a
highrisk working at Heights around P
line lines over roads using chain stores
and and chippers it's critical the
services are undertaken by qualified and
experienced personnel with companies
that integrate industry best practice
into their daily operations it also
requires a specialist equipment like a
cherry cherry pickers effective safety
management practices which are very
important in high pedestrianized areas
which uh we have and highly qualified
arborus many other councils contract out
Tree Management Services because it
complex work the city of Melbourne um
has a policy similar to ours um similar
in term terms of capital city and scope
of uh uh services and they contract out
all of their tree maintenance services
in Greater Sydney some of the other
councils do this too uh all of their
services including inner West Northern
beaches Mossman statfield and Hunters
Hill so um this service has um served us
very very well um and safely um and um
uh I
um ask the CEO to perhaps
comment
um or should I ask Mr woodbr the um so
Lord mayor what I all I would add is
that firstly the government is looking
the union has asked the government to
look at supporting increased trainees
and we really welcome that and we would
certainly Embrace that here at the city
of Sydney for our own Services however
that is not funded yet so I we can't
really create a service based on
something that might happen and I I
think it's really important it's really
important that we support trainees and
apprentices it really is but you can't
run a service like this with 15%
trainees or apprentices you would even
if you had 15% trainees and apprentices
you would still have you would have to
have additional staff to support and
manage those trainees and apprentices so
actually even if the position even if we
had 15% trainees and apprentices the
city of Sydney would have to employ
additional staff to supervise and train
those people in many of the services and
that's fine and that's something we
would consider doing but we don't have
those trainees and we do not have that
funding and we really do need to move to
have this service and at the moment this
is the best model that we can put
forward to you thank you Lord mayor
thank
you Council Wen yes I'd just like to
support uh the matters that uh councelor
Scott has raised when I think about uh
the local businesses that have been
created particularly wild wildflower
that is actually employing young
Aboriginal people to be trained in h
cultural um and we look at so much parts
of how we look at how we are engaging
First Nations people to ensure that our
practices are continually um are
continuing to be revived and to be
researched in our local areas I as I
stated at during committee's meeting is
that I'm concerned about how decisions
are made um in the in the short term for
long-term issues but when we actually
arrive in the long term there doesn't
seem to be the benefit if we're looking
at some of these dying trades and yet we
don't have anything internally
Incorporated we continue to phase out uh
what we are in terms of local government
to actually create local um businesses
in such a a corporate way and rather
than support those local social
Enterprises and actually not start to do
that in partnership with local
government when I think about uh my my
uncle that worked here he was a a uh
street sweeper for for many many decades
and yet uh when he worked as a a a proud
rer man and he came to work um he was
very proud of the work that he could do
um and have entry into local government
and to his local community but what we
are doing the more that we do when we
phe out um these uh opportunities such
as apprentices and the likes to be able
to train people locally so they can live
locally and make a difference to their
community and be a part of that
Community we when we continue to phase
that out to other corporates it actually
takes so much more away from us in what
we mean about and neighborhood a family
or a community as a
whole do I have any other speakers um I
just might ask the CEO to inform Council
about the work we're doing with our
rigal
community um thank you Lord May and
through you so I think there's two
things that um I I hope I understood
correctly and one is you know the the
effort that we put into employing more a
on T rate Islander people and we do have
the reconciliation action plan and we do
have our a on tourist rate iser
Workforce strategy which was launched at
redone Community Center and we are
seeing the numbers increasing and um and
even you know I attended with some staff
we had two sessions at the national
Center for indigenous Excellence where
we encouraged people to come and apply
for jobs and we took staff there to help
them to uh encourage people to apply for
jobs and help with applications and then
we had two sessions at redund Community
Center where we again did the same thing
and I attended as well and our Workforce
staff attended to help encourage people
to apply for jobs so of course we want
to see people from the ab Island
community employed across the whole
range of um jobs and the whole range of
skills so that's very very important and
we showed our commitment I think by
launching that plan by employing a
dedicated aage trate Islander Workforce
specialist and we continue to do the
very best we can there thank you thank
you sorry and so then on supporting
Aboriginal and tet Islander businesses
so of course there are a number of em
wonderful businesses and emerging
businesses who do want to have the
opportunity to compete for Council work
and who um we we so and they want to
stay Standalone businesses you know when
I speak to them they really want to be
Standalone businesses they don't want to
just be a kind of Labor hire for the
city of Sydney they want to build their
own businesses and I'm not going to be
able to go into the detail here but we
are looking ex very much at how we can
look at when we uh do seek contractors
to provide services how we might package
that up to make it uh to to open up the
opportunities for businesses from
different backgrounds to be able to
confidently participate and compete and
we do have one on in the pipeline right
now which I can't really speak about
because of course once we go into
procurement process it's really
important that that Pro the Integrity of
that process is maintained so that
nobody's disqualified um and so we are
working on exactly one like that and we
hope to work on many others thank you
Lord mayor thank you CEO
so where are we at
to okay so I'll put the motion to you
all those in favor say
I those
against Carrried AP from
three item seven report of the
environment
committee Council Council
whirling
counselors staff and members of the
public welcome to the meeting of the
environment
Committee in accordance with the city of
Sydney's meeting practice this meeting
is audio visually recorded and website
live on the city of Sydney website for
those listening to this stream from home
I remind you that the statements and
actions made during this meeting are
those of the individual and not of the
council sorry that's really for
committee sorry that's for committee oh
you don't need to do that for Council
sorry
sorry okay oh sorry read wrong okay this
um so this item was passed unanimously
at the committee meeting on November 6
and is very much a good news story which
I love the city knows that it must act
urgently to address the climate
emergency it's why in 2021 we brought
forward the Net Zero Target from 2040 to
2035 yes it's an ambitious emissions
reduction Target but it's also
achievable especially with the help from
these wonderful environmental grants the
total budget for environmental grants in
23 24 is 400,000 the Green Building
Grant specifically supports owners
corporations and building owners in the
residential accommodation sector to
become more resourceful efficient and
Achieve net zero emissions by
20135 30 eligible applicants were
received and we were asked to asked to
approve 23 with an allocation of 241,000
the remaining $
4,759 in savings will made available in
the Innovation and ideas grant program
currently being considered by Council
Lord mayor I would like to move the
recommendations for item 7.3 yeah
second Lord
mayor so do I have any other speakers
sorry
so I I'll move the I'll put the
recommendation to you all those in favor
say I those against declare Cod another
seat thank you item eight report of the
uh housing for all committee Council
El thank you Lord mayor um we had one
substantive item on the housing for all
committee at committees two weeks ago we
had um the confirmation of minutes at
which is at 8.1 the statement of ethical
obligations and disclosive interest and
our substantial item which was supported
unanimously was amending a Grant
application from Wesley for a exciting
new affordable housing development um
that the city has uh contributed $3
million from its affordable housing fund
um we are the city had already made this
decision in 2020 and but because there
are some variations to the um the
proposal we need to reaffirm that that
is our decision which it was passed
unanimously a couple of weeks ago at
committees um I'll move that in globo uh
all three items are the confirmation of
the minutes the statement of ethical
obligations and disclosure of interest
and the that we move the grants and
sponsorship substantive item at 8.3
that's a procedural motion do I need to
move that no don't I can just move 8.3
thank you moving the three in globo just
well I'm happy to second that great um
Erin's shaking her head like we don't
need to do that administrative process
you're m in global and you're speaking
to items yes so just briefly to confirm
um item three which is the grant um the
decision that Council was asked to make
and supported unanimously was that um
the grant will develop 56 new rooms for
the for purposes of affordable housing
at 274 to 276 G Point Road the $3
million Grant through our affordable and
diverse housing fund to Wesley Mission
very excitingly um
they've one of the exciting things about
the proposal being delayed a couple of
years is that it could
update can you move more towards yeah
sorry um I hate
microphones sorry yeah um okay I'll wrap
it up um not that the amount the grant
amount is incl inclusive of GST if we
pass this grant the plan is for
construction to start next year and for
the building to be open by August
2025 thank you great great project so
I'll put it to you all those in favor
say I those against declare a Cod uny
thank you Council
ellore item nine report of of the
cultural and creative committee um I
actually it's an hour and a half 90
minutes I might just move an um an
adjournment for 15
minutes and that's seconded by Council
Ganon I'll put that to you all those in
favor say I those against declare it
Carrried so back here at qu to 7
please report of the cultural and
creative committee Council
G thank you Lord mayor uh at the last
meeting of the culture and creative
committee we considered one item grants
and sponsor grants and sponsorship
cultural grants item one was
confirmation of minutes item two was
disclosures of Interest item three was
Grant and sponsorship uh now the city
advertised two tiers of festival and
event sponsorship one is for the was for
the festival and events the other was
for major Festival events a total of 135
eligible applications were received
which shows just how important these
sponsorship grants are uh the report
recommends 45 grants to a total value of
1.337
uh million in cash and
757,50 at the pit Street Training Center
as part of the connect City workshop and
again that was part uh that session was
held for abinal and T straight Islander
organizations and people now connect
Sydney uh which is available to all uh
Community groups aims to build the
capacity of community and not for-profit
organizations through the provision of
uh free grant writing skills and
governance training uh and I would
strongly encourage members of the public
looking to apply uh for Grants to engage
with this valuable service to ensure
that ation has the best possible chance
of success uh now it's always great to
see such high levels of
Engagement uh but as you know we'd love
to find all of these applications as you
know Lord mayor um of which a total of
$6.8
million uh was requested for this round
alone but we need to be fiscally
responsible ensuring that our grant Pro
program maintains its integrity and
viability in the long term but it was
great to be able to support some of the
larger events that have become St of
Sydney's cultur circuit including uh
Sydney film festival vogs fashion night
out and of course Sydney
Festival uh now Lord may as uh there was
quite a bit of a
discussion a fortnite ago um I've got an
alternative motion uh which is to add
which has been past circulated I believe
everyone has it part G which is that the
chief executive officer be asked to
conduct a counselor Workshop that
provides an overview of the grants
application and assessment process and
outlines the C the current current
grants programs funding priorities
relationships to the city uh of City
strategic plan and
priorities and also uh a review of the
Grant and sponsorship policy as part of
the midterm policy review process taking
into account feedback from counselors uh
and any potential systematic barriers
and biases in the application uh uh and
assessment process thank you counc and
is that seconded by deput May
um uh I'd like to move that for the
purpose of discussion
yes
so so I think that's a very worthwhile
suggestion course counselors you know
would like to give feedback on on the
grants and and see what else we can do
with that bucket of money so it's really
good so thank you for that so I'll put
that um so I'm dealing with an amended
um yeah
I'm dealing with an alternative well I'm
dealing with the motion that's before us
aren't I so I'll put the motion to you
all those in favor say I those against
declare it C thank you Council
genon item 10 report of the uh sorry
resilient communities and economy
committee Council Davis thank you Lord
May good evening everyone and I'll be
introducing item 10 on the resilient
community and economy Committee of this
council meeting the minutes of the
resilient communities and economy
committee meeting uh held on the 6th of
November uh to be confirmed items
10.1 confirmation of minutes and item
10.2 are there any disclosures of
Interest counselors I have declared
already um um are you moving in what
what are you moving
you Ming in globo or no I can't I've
right so you're moving first of all
you're moving confirmation of minutes
well I'll have to put that to the
council so got a second for the
confirmation of minutes councilor Chan
I'll put that to you all those in favor
say I those
against I'll put that again because not
everyone voted we're voting on the
confirmation of the minutes from the
committee put that too all those in
favor say I those against declare it Cod
unanimously thank you now the next one
is the statement of ethical obligations
discloses of interest in you remove that
but we don't need to vote on that
because I did that at the beginning of
the meeting that's right so we'll go to
10.3 I'll be stepping out and not voting
um on item 10.4 and 10.5 grants and
sponsorship Aboriginal onar straight
Islander collaboration fund and
Innovation grants and ideas um I have
declared my uh significant
um
okay sorry I'm um we'll go back to 10.3
yes
10.3 um I'd like to propose that the
council move the following motion item
10.3 which I have circulated the motion
requests uh for the Lord mayor to ask
the minister for local government to
review the effectiveness of alcohol free
zones in preventing antisocial behavior
and their impact on Aboriginal and T
State Islander peoples social housing
residents and people experiencing
homelessness this recommendation also
asks the CEO to continue to work with
communities and service providers to
comprehensively co-design person uh
codon person centered approaches to the
alcohol related harm importantly it is
also asked that the CEO comprehensively
review all existing alcohol free zones
and alcohol prohibited areas this review
is to take place uh in Broad
consultation with local residents
communities and social housing Estates
neighboring advisory boards community
services including Aboriginal Community
controlled organizations organizations
representing torist State Islander
communities and culturally and
linguistically diverse communities uh
business and relevant New South Wales
government agencies the aim of this
review is to deter DET which specific
restrictions have broad community
support and should be retained and which
can be lifted and will be reported back
to council with revised recommendations
the report also recommends that the
council note that the outcomes of the
public exhibition and approve the
establishment of alcohol free zones and
alcohol prohibited areas for a 9-month
period uh timed areas and temporary
alcohol free zones as outlined in the
attachment a except for the proposed
alcohol free zones listed in point e of
the motion for the reasons outlined in
this report as part of the review
Council can relook at all alcohol-free
zones over the extended period and
assess the evidence and the reasons why
we are supporting the existing
alcohol-free zones valid concerns about
usage of these zones have been raised by
counselors and the community and the
same time not approving the extensions
of the existing restrictions now without
having consulted the community about
removing existing restrictions would
catch many offu particularly as uh as
there are also community members who
have asked for alcohol-free zones to be
put in place the purpose the purpose
review uh will give us the opportunity
to determine
these zones are beneficial as well as
where restrictions could be lifted and
give our community the chance uh to have
their say uh before any changes are made
Lord Mara put this to the vote so
seconded by Council illmore thank you
Council Council illmore and then Council
Jarett thank you Lord mayor and uh thank
you councelor Davis um for the
opportunity to discuss substantial
amendments to what we originally had
before us I think this is a really
really good outcome and I will project
better and stand closer to the
microphone um so just for clarity
because I know there a number of people
contacted me who were listening at home
and who made submissions that I just
want to reference as well and say thank
you regarding um instead of a decision
to renew the alcohol free zones we
already have in the city which is very
many numbering more than 200 this
decision would have us extending it for
a 9month period so we could have a
review and consider the impact
we had a request from some residents but
primarily from police to have a whole
new range of alcohol free zones for
another four years this does not have us
establishing those it has us
establishing some for the 9month period
um in relation to sort of New Year's Eve
um crowd control and things like that
but not an the whole list that was
proposed particularly the new um spaces
that are opposite or including or in
front of public housing Estates and I
think it's incredibly positive that the
Lord mayor is going to write to the
state government asking for a
reevaluation of what are I think a very
not needed and um harmful police power
so I wanted to read just briefly be um
because i' been asked to but also
because there were very important
submissions to help us make our decision
tonight from the Aboriginal legal
service and from the homelessness
person's legal service who are contacted
and provided some feedback cautioning
Council to do what it is doing tonight
which is to undertake a proper review
before we extend these restrictions
um police already have a lot of powers
to move anyone along who is um
antisocial or is causing harm or is
threatening they have those Powers they
have very strong move on Powers some
would argue I myself included to strong
move on Powers alcohol free zones give
even more powers for police to tip out
alcohol or move people along or find
them if they don't do that more than
$2,000 even if they're causing no harm
to anybody and the feedback that we got
um as we know historically as well that
these rules tend to impact Aboriginal
people people on the streets young
people and people experiencing
homelessness one story I wanted to share
that the Aboriginal legal service shared
with us as an example of how these rules
work in practice is for Alex not the
real name one of their clients Alex is a
resident of the city of Sydney area Alex
was in a AFR Zed alcohol-free Zone in
watero alone and drinking from a bottle
in a brown paper bag the police stopped
and approached her a verbal altercation
ensued during which Alex made it clear
that she felt the police were
interfering with her liberties they
issued her a move on order because of
her language and because she was
drinking she failed to comply so they
arrested her charged her for resist
arrest assault police offensive language
known as as the trifecta by anyone who's
worked in the original legal service as
well as failing to comply with a move on
Direction she defended the action in
court the police conceded that they did
not have the power to issue her with a
move on direction for drinking in the AF
said they dropped the charges all
charges sorry were dismissed at court
the police didn't drop them however the
process and the trauma um experienced by
that client was just one of the examples
that um the ALS shared with us to help
us understand why their recommendation
is that we do this review because there
has been a disproportionate impact in
how these laws tend to be used towards
Aboriginal people um and they tend to
who are already subject to punitive
proactive policing practices on the
streets generally and that over
represent overp policing of Aboriginal
communities is one of the key things
that is um contributing to the over
repesent representation of Aboriginal
tourist island people in custody this
review will give us an opportunity to
understand where we need these for
residents and there may be some cases
where we do need them and where the laws
are being unfortunately abused or are
having a negative effect on our impact
on our communities alcohol like other
drugs needs to be treated like a healthy
shoe and more laws don't work to help
people who um are drinking in the
streets and they don't help to keep us
safe they might make police feel like
they have more Powers but they've all
got already got plenty of powers to do
what they need the final thing I wanted
to share was from the um public interest
advocacy Center's Aboriginal sorry
homelessness person's Legal Center and I
apologize these were quite last minute
because we were making the decision but
they wanted to provide some feedback um
that in their experience that these
zones create unnecessary interactions
with police um for people as the
interactions also for people who are
homeless um have people um not following
move on orders they can become stop and
Searchers they have occasions where
people have reported being stripped to
their underwear in public in response to
um not agreeing to follow move on orders
in afz zones these interactions can qu
quickly escalate to criminal charges so
anyway I think the evidence is there for
us I'm very thankful that the council is
responding to it if we do this we will
be one of the few councils I think in
this state that is standing up and
questioning whether these are the sorts
of laws we still want to police alcohol
on our streets whether or not they're
consistent with our rules that we want
more on street daming and celebration
and people to feel safe we'll get a
chance to do that and by bringing it
back in nine months um it means that we
will make that decision as the elected
Council it won't be the next elected
Council will be us this term to hear
those stories and decide what we're
going to do and thank you again to the
staff for or and and the Lord mayor's
team for bringing forward this very
different motion than what we originally
had on the papers thank you Council well
could you um circulate that material
that you have from those various
organizations I think it'd be helpful
for thank you Lord mayor I did circulate
them um but it was I got them very late
last Sunday night but I'm very happy to
recirculate um that information cuz it
was intended for all the counil do
that okay Council Jared uh thank you
Lord mayor i' more got a query of um um
Kiren Moran do we actually have the
ability to uh put forward a change in
the time period that we're approving
this for um it has to be approved by the
15th of December this year otherwise
there are no alcohol free zones in the
city of Sydney I understand I wouldn't
want us to be making deferment motions
here effectively if we don't have the
authority and we find that on the 16th
of December we don't have any of these
zones so I just like a some sort of
confirmation that we have the authority
to do this the CE you through you Lord
what we're being asked to do is to
extend them for 9 months and we can do
and we can extend alcohol free zones for
up to 4 years that's in the legisl up to
so what we're doing here what we're
being asked to do Lord mayor pardon me
is to um to extend them for 9 months
we'll just change the date on the each
sign just with a sticker so it gives so
then this the sign is um valid and then
before that time expires we need to come
back to council with the new
recommendations based on the
consultation and also discussions with
the state government about the um
whether this is really the best process
for this I mean I think we I think
there's two parts to this is one is is
this really the best way to do it which
is a matter that the Lord May will take
up to the government and as staff we
will talk to the community about their
um their concerns appetite and or
support for these uh so that if we are
going to put them up again uh you've got
more information thank you Lord mayor
thank you very much I think councilors
believe they need more information
Council
whirling
uh thank you Lord mayor I'd like to
speak in support of the motion proposed
by councilor Davis this system of
blanket alcohol bans in public public
seems to disproportionately impact
people with low from lower incomes
people living in social housing our
first Nations and T straight Islander
communities this isn't simply a police
or public safety issue this seems more
to me like an Us and Them issue while
wealthy residents can choose to drink at
a bar
or as we've experienced since the
pandemic in one of our extensive outdoor
dining areas those who can't afford it
have to stay home and buy directly from
the supermarket or the bottle
shop and what if drinking at home is not
an option maybe it's just too small
you're at risk or simply you want to
have some sunshine and to drink with
friends and socialize
outside in many cases here more people
won't be allowed to sit in their local
pocket park or a street bench to have a
quiet drink they'll be asked to empty
their bottle cost they shouldn't have to
incur and be moved along
again if we put restrictions on more and
more streets are we just kicking the
perceived problem down the
road are we causing further divide in
our community rather than addressing key
Health and Social needs for connection
and inclus
inclusion it would be ignorant of me not
to note that of course the consumption
of alcohol in public spaces can lead to
antisocial behavior and noise and if and
when that happens I would expect the
police or designated health worker to
step in and mediate the
situation I'm supportive of the
recommendation to pass New Year's Eve
restrictions for now and also Grant an
extension to the existing alcohol free
and prohibited areas for another nine
months doing this will permit staff to
undertake a more thorough review with
Police New South Wales government and
health and Community agencies about a
more proactive approach to managing
alcohol in our streets it will also
ensure that the decision comes to this
Council to be voted
on areas change people change behaviors
and the need of our communities
change I truly believe a review is in
order just like Minister Graham is
investigating a review of security staff
on licensed premises I think we should
be more trusting of our residents rather
than continuing such a heavy-handed
approach thank you thank you Council
willing do I have any other
speakers so Council Ganon sorry Lord may
I just read um in point e we
have Town's place in Miller's point
listed and from my understanding during
the briefing or the the committee when
the Constable came he explained that
that was an issue with party boates yeah
and people getting off I was wondering
can we get a rationale for why that is
listed and if potentially it could be
removed from this list well I I think
it's it's a matter of review um if there
are party people coming off party boats
are intoxicated and and and misbehaving
the police can deal with that they can't
yeah I mean I I know it's irritating
people in Miller Point um but the police
can can take action about that okay
thank
you and I think this is the point
Council sore was making that
um there are powers there and and I
think as Council whirling
said the situation you know has changed
M minister graah is looking at this too
he came along to the S Hills Sydney
streets just to see how opening the
street up and having people outdoor
dining with entertainment people walking
talking it was terrific and he's now
wanting to apply that in other parts of
um of the metropolitan
area and really want to get advice from
a
and we're making that available to him
but it's it's along the same lines
looking at the city and looking at
people's
needs and just questioning what might
have seemed you know something that
needed to be done in the '90s is it
still something that needs to be done
and that we haven't really had that
review or got that information so I
think um what's been moved by Council
Davis is very good um and um and I'm I
hope everyone's going to support it so
we just have counc Davis
I Council
B thank you Lord mayor as uh councilor
Ellmore and myself actually raised
specific stuff around people that raise
specific uh information around and
directly to the police Commander that
was here on the day of committees uh my
concern is and I appreciate the uh
motion that's been put forward but my
concern is is around the social divide
that where we we look at outdoor dining
and the fact that those people that can
do outdoor dining and can afford it with
the high prices of alcohol that is
actually sold with outdoor dining and
when you think about the people that are
likely to be arrested are not the people
that can afford that so we need to be
very conscious of the fact that if there
are going to be decisions made in the
long term but certainly it's great that
it's not going to be in the long term
it's a a far greater shorter term with
the issues that were we had raised both
Council illmore and myself to the police
Commander that was here that could not
answer it but also the key information
around the data that was not readily
available but yet there was a push to be
able to make sure that those people that
are living on one side of that divide is
not further uh
disadvantaged as I stated uh during the
committee's meeting and I'll say it here
again is that First Nations people
Aboriginal and terit people
and those that are actually living in
social housing that don't have the same
opportunities in their housing
situations where people that are renting
privately or owning um don't have the
luxury to be able to have the backyards
and the likes to be able to have parties
and to engage and alcohol may be a part
of that process and so when you try and
do it in a local park or in in a certain
area that's nearby social housing they
will be the ones that have been targeted
I know I certainly actually was just
driving home from here one night after a
committee meeting on what I was
subjected to uh by some people that are
employed by state government in
particularly the police so when we
actually think about uh the biases or
rather that the racism that exists uh in
this country but certainly in this city
and we're looking at within our LGA is
that there the fairness around that
process is not equal and we need to be
very conscious of the fact that we don't
want to just have streets listed that
have more about the uh the social and
the affordable housing people but
actually all people to be able to make
sure that we are treated in a Fair Way
rather than in a targeted way thank you
thank
you
so do you wish to speak in reply
Council Lord mayor I I um
encourage uh everybody to think about
just how serious these laws are in terms
of affecting our communities and uh I
agree with everything that's been said
around the table here today um it's been
uh you know as I said today in our
meeting you know gentrification is
something that's affecting all of us and
um we're getting marginalized and pushed
out of our communities so uh laws such
as this just uh I guess enhance um some
of the
challenges uh around drinking freely in
a park to celebrate and uh we're a
joyous people we love to have fun we
love music boisterous and all the rest
of it just like any other
party thank you councelor Davis I think
there's broad agreement around the table
and I think this is a really good move
thank you for moving it I'll put it to
you all those in favor say I those
against Carr say Thank you very much item
11 report of the transport Heritage and
planning
committee sorry 10.4 10 apologies 10.4
10.5
oh okay
10.4 so um councelor Davis has had to
leave the room because she's um
expressed a a um
conent conflict concept conflict of
interest um and uh I will introduce it
so um the reports recommending that
Council approve three aage on trial rate
Islander collaboration fund grants
totaling 108 ,600 in cash and 20
Innovation and ideas grants totaling
559
um, 447 in cash and
17,37 value in kind and note that
additional funding of
87,000 um 111 for the innovation ideas
program has been made available in the
2324 Financial year as a result of the
underspending the business sector
support and Green Building Grant
programs for an improved creative Grant
not being accepted by the grant
applicant so I'll move the
recommendation um and I have the second
to Here by deput Lord may do I have any
speakers on this
one I'll put the recommendation to you
all those in favor say I those against
de claric Cy thank
you 10.5
um this report is recommending Council
approve an increased rental subsidy of
100% up from 83% to beehive Industries
137 Palmer Street darling Hurst for the
remainder of their current 5year lease
which is due to end in the 20 of June
2026 and that an ad hog Grant to Lissa
Minon representing sCarr Ministries to
license meeting room 1 and meeting room
2 ground floor GLE Town Hall 160 John's
St John's Road Glee from the first of
November 2023 to the 30th of June 2024
and I move the officer's recommendation
seconded by count Deputy L May with that
two other in favor say I those against
de Clare Carred uny we invite councilor
Davis back now we're up to item 11
report of the transport Heritage and
planning committee Council
chair thank thank you Lord mayor
councilors have received a relevant to
memo and where to note the alternative
recommendation for item
11.5 post exhibition planning proposal
85 to 93 Commonwealth Street s Hills
Sydney ELP 2012
Amendment like to pull out item
11.4 and recommend that Council move all
other items in globo thank you so
um so I have a second to for that de
Lord mayor um any other items that
people want pulled out so we're moving
um the report of the transport Heritage
and planning committee in globo because
we had extensive discussion at committee
last Monday apart from item 11.4 that's
been moved by Council chair and seconded
by deput Lord mayor I'll put that to you
all those in favor say I those against
declare Carrry it unanimously um so we're
going to over point4 and Council chair
will have to go out um and as he had a
conflict of interest and um I'll will
introduce and put this item to the vote
the reports asking Council to note the
three submissions received in response
to the public exhibition and approv the
planning proposal to rezone the sites
from educational uses to mixed use and
residential to 28 to8 Rundle Street uh
and 6 to2 Paramount Road forest lodge
post exhibition the item was Carrried
unly by the um Central City planning
committee and I'm I'll put the
recommendation so by deput mayor
um Council
elore thanks councilors um as I've
previously raised when this was put out
to exhibition and at the Committees last
Meek I will not be supporting voting in
favor of this item I don't think it's in
the public interest and we should not be
um approving the rezoning of what was
education um zoning that allow that was
student housing effectively so the
University of Sydney can sell off the
land for General Revenue um Although our
papers state that is that they will use
that money for student housing when we
had a representative from the University
of Sydney there we asked them has any
formal commitment been made that you
will make sure that you use this money
from selling student housing that had
student living in it only a couple of
years ago to build more student housing
and the answer was they have not done
anything formal so this is just general
they are selling off housing that should
be protected it was paid for with public
money as the university is a public
institution that primarily gets public
money that had students living in those
Terraces only a couple of years ago
there are no protections that we as
councilors have powers to implement to
keep this as affordable housing the only
thing that we could have done was to not
approve the change of use and to require
the university to keep those Terraces
and use them as housing because then
they would have stud put students back
in them um so I also note that the
University of Sydney's uh profit last
year I think was $1.8 billion it is
certainly not um needing any money in
order to build more student housing if
it wishes to so for for those reasons
and the basis that I think it is not in
the public interest and not consistent
with our commitment to affordable
housing is this Council I will not be
supporting this planning proposal to
rezone these
properties so um as way of background um
the planning proposal was considered as
part of an item that included three
separate planning proposals council's ra
raised concerns about that and so it was
exhibited on its own it's now being
reported to Council post exhibition for
endorsement the sites are own by the
University of Sydney loc located away
from the University campus the nine
properties on the sites were used for
officer storage and student
accommodation they are no longer needed
and the university wishes to sell them
the sites has owned SP2 infrastructure
educational establishment which limits
their potential future use to education
or supporting uses the planning proposal
reson the land to mu1 mixed use to
Arundle Street and R1 residential 28 to8
Arundle Street and 6 to2 parameter Road
these rezonings are consistent with the
surrounding area the change will not
increase height or floor space ratio um
the
um I don't
think the other other issues of concern
which don't relate to housing I need to
mention
um so we do have a letter from the
Sydney University um was Pro provided in
a relevant memo relevant to memo in May
noted that renovating or furbishing The
Terraces that were previously used for
student accommodation would be
prohibitively expensive while providing
a very limited amount of Housing and
would not meet contemporary standards
for student accommodation the resoning
and sale the properties will fund other
student housing projects the University
of Sydney has also reiterated its
commitment to increasing the amount of
student accommodation around its campus
noting that since 2015 the university
has constructed
1,622 new student accommodation beds
with rent set at a minimum of 25% below
Market benchmarks
so we have a um recommendation before us
um I'll put it to you all those in favor
to say
I so that's opposed by councilor illmore
and Council
welen thank you um can we invite Council
chair
back item 12 property matter
confidential
all right what about these
ones of
course thank you
Erin so
um I'll move the officer's
recommendation for item 12 which is a
property matter that's confidential that
Council has been briefed
on um seconded by the dep Lord mayor
I'll put it to you all that's in pap
sayi
those against CL cagey thank you item 13
questions on notice item 14
supplementary answers to previous
questions item 15 notices of motion 15.2
Stanley Street let's party Council
Ganon thank you Lord mayor uh Lord mayor
councils I think we can all agree that
the Sydney streets events have been
incredibly successful these past few
months and years uh with Stanley Street
being uh one of the absolute standouts
apparently too successful according to
the news southwes police uh who have
requested we put on more crowd
mitigation measures uh because it's so
popular now that's a problem I'm
thrilled to have and I thank staff in
advance for working uh to find sensible
Solutions uh in the short and medium
terms uh the party at the last Stanley
Street Festival is fantastic this motion
is about making it easier to have them
more often in a financially responsible
way and to make sanley Street uh a more
inviting Place year round I want Stanley
Street to be known as the as City's
principal Ales dining Hub uh as we all
know Stanley Street is unique in its
environment in that it is lined almost
ex exclusively by food and beverage
operators from conversations I've had
with local businesses in the community
everyone wants it to happen more often
it would be great to see these sort of
events happen more frequently particular
particularly during the summer months
and maybe even every weekend uh but
today I received a phone call from a
concerned resident who explained that
there is a meeting uh the city is
planning soon uh apparently DJ booths
and speakers are on the agenda I'm sure
I sure hope that it's to have more of
them rather than less of them uh on the
weekend lots of us went to the Clay
Street first of all and how good was it
Lively entertainment put on both by the
city and local businesses made for a
really really fun day these events are
going from strength to strength and it's
great to see them evolving and I'm
really looking forward to seeing what
they become in the months and years to
come one quam I do have which I uh
shared with Council Waring on the
weekend and raised recently with coun
ccil staff as well is the current lior
liing lior licensing rules for these
events man why you can't walk around
with a beer or wine trying food from the
different
venues or walking between stages very
topical isn't it
yeah uh is uh yeah working between
different music stages is truly
bureaucracy gone mad uh I know new supp
has a very very long and complex history
with liquor regulations starting from
you know the arrival of the first FL
but I think it's time for a bit of a
tiey up as you all mentioned previously
with the bills Lord mayor that's why I'm
foreshadowing the at the next council
meeting I'll be putting another uh
notice of motion up about Lial licensing
regulations and how we can work with the
government the state government agencies
to make it work better for our people uh
and I'll definitely engage with you
early with that uh now councilors I hope
you can support this notice of motion
ideally
unamended uh and that you can continue
to support the city streets initiatives
thank you Lord thank you Council
Ganon Council
whirling uh thank you Lord mayor and
Council Ganon so are you seconding this
sorry no who seconding it councilor
Jared is seconding it Council
Waring thank you Lord mayor and
councilor Ganon for this uh notice of
motion um I appreciate the intention of
the the notice of motion which is to
bring bring visitors into the City and
support our High Street businesses and
operators I'm proposing an amendment
which asks the CEO to review the entire
Sydney Street events program following
the completion of the Season engage with
local businesses services and Community
groups to determine the optimal timing
and frequency of events across the city
including potentially winter programming
and conduct a cost benefit analysis
before we commit to additional events or
activations
um I've attended the street uh Sydney
Street events since they've started I'm
sure many of councilors here have
too I don't think anyone could say that
over the time that they haven't evolved
in fact each and every year the events
are growing in scope attendance and
offering but let's not forget Sydney
streets are not manyi city of Sydney
festivals the original concept was for
neighborhood street closures so that
businesses could activate it was up to
the businesses to get involved and the
community follow it was in a bid to
encourage people back to the high
streets After the Dark Days of the
pandemic on the weekend at pots point
the event took place on a Saturday and
that's you know with an enormous amount
of work from City staff working with the
police in particular to get it away from
being on a Sunday which they would
prefer to bring it into a Saturday to
dovetail with the popularity of the
king's cross market and I was there at
midday and boy was it buzzing
we um the city also you know took in a
lot of consultation and you know the
event footprint was changed there was
less of Daring Hurst road but the
Springfield Gardens Orwell Street Lan
Kelly place um evolved to you know
include more
businesses these decisions were pulled
weren't pulled out of a hat they came
because of community and business
feedback and from Project
evaluation and if uh my weekend is
anything to go by of spending most all
day yesterday um talking to pots Point
residents about um on Facebook and you
know what there was some great for and
there was some great against but you
know and there were some people who had
negative comments but when you actually
told them the facts they were like oh I
didn't realize that was the case so I
think we need more information and less
misinformation to our um to our
residents but getting off to Stanley
Street yes it's been an enormous success
there is no doubt about that um and I'm
very much looking forward to the next
one but what I don't want to do is is it
busy because it's only happening twice a
year if we did it every weekend would we
just water down the amount of people
that came and then it wouldn't be as as
effective um I think these are things we
need to consider and I think that'll be
part of the
review but so supporting this amendment
asks that the success of the entire
program has reviewed and evaluated at
the conclusion of the season this might
include information sessions as I've
mentioned targeted mail outs meeting
with Precinct leaders um and speaking to
local stakeholders including residents
the police City staff um as they did I
believe on the weekend so in conclusion
councilor ganon's motion favors one
event but let's not forget the context
of everyone so right now there are 14
events in total across seven precincts
and we're halfway through them and these
should all be reviewed to ensure the
concept's ongoing success but uh Council
ganet I really commend your Um passion
to make sure that Stanley Street happens
more often thank you thank you so
Council elore um yes Council oh second
second of the
amendment Deputy May Council small thank
you um I'm very happy to support the
original motion also the the amendment
um I think a broader review is very
helpful I wanted to provide some ment I
don't propose any further amendments but
um councilors might recall that we made
a decision to ask the staff to
investigate um the potential to have
some form of Sydney streets in New Town
after the New Town Festival was closed
down and um to do that we'd need to do
that in coordination with the inner West
Council which is the bordering Council
we have King Street um together and that
there was a supportive motion duplicate
motion from the in West Council I
understand that since the um police have
said you can't close that road of course
they were going to say that um I would
be interested interested to find out how
many of the other roads there was
initial resistance from and because at
the moment we have a program where it is
focused on the CBD as was mentioned but
we also have the high streets of Redfern
and gleo road but we don't have anything
for Alexandria green square zetland
Newtown Kenville or camper down there's
huge sections of our um local government
area that also have high streets who
would benefit who are not included um
some of those streets that we have
Sydney festivals for have also very
fledgling business chambers that need a
lot of support to get going in the first
Sydney streets were not as successful as
the later ones and the other high
streets have that case also um and I do
think it's appropriate as we have the
review to be moving from not a postco
time to but how are we bringing the
community together and making this more
than a primarily business focused event
one of the feedback we got from talking
to the Newtown Neighborhood Center was
that they're not necessarily in um one
giant Street party on King Street may
not be as helpful as doing something
where we enable a whole series of
coordinated small Street parties
supporting the local businesses
connected to them say connected to the
the South King Festival that um the no
council is organizing but we didn't
participate in even though we were on
the other side of the street when they
held it and it's not quite clear why
that didn't happen or whether we we
would be able to be a partner next time
um but certainly we've got some more
communication to do with our inest
comrades around that um I think the
review is a valuable time to look at not
just how we keep the things that work
but how we think about who's missing out
currently and how this program can
evolve um to be a permanent fixture that
benefits our whole city and more areas
and I would personally be very keen to
vote in favor of expanding in that
direction thank you do I have any other
speakers I I'd just like to say that I I
think we did this for two reasons one
was to support business after Co and the
other was to make it safe for people to
come together and socialize after covid
um and I think it's a as been I think
they have been as a much benefit to the
residents in the communities as it has
been to the businesses I think it has
enabled those communities to come
together in in a public Street quite
liberated because there are no Carrs
there um and and um it's also been quite
fantastic for the support we've given to
our our our entertainers they had a
terrible time during Co they got no work
at all and they've had work and it's
it's been quite joyful having having
them about they've been different in
different areas and they've done
different things but they've brought
lots of pleasure but I think one of the
main things has been bringing the
community generally together residents
and businesses and um I know that um
whilst we haven't been able to do one in
green square yet um we certainly have
plans to do one there you know in the
future and I I think the other South
Sydney ones like Redfern Street
have been attended by other people in
the South Sydney former South Sydney
area um but the review can look at at at
what other opportunities there are and
and also I think they've been different
in the different areas theyve really
been about a celebration of the
different areas it's been quite
fantastic and see how the differences
there um and um and I I think it's been
um a tremendous thing and I've got to
say Minister Graham who came to the sah
Hills one just to check it out was very
impressed and is going to do it in areas
like param mattin now and other areas
the metropolitan areas so I think that's
terrific too and all all all that U we
have learned through doing this work we
can share with those other metropolitan
areas because I think it's really a
really good for Community Building as
well as business
support so um thank you for that Council
Ganon and um thank you for agreeing to
accept the
amendment he has Oh I thought you
did so it's we're dealing with an
amended motion yeah and um is that are
you happy with that Council Jared your
as a second yeah so I'll put the amended
motion to you all those in favor say
I those against Carr Carrried you know say
thank
you item 15.3 city of Sydney East scoter
trial Council
Jared um thank you Lord
mayor not quite too sure what the
procedures are here but councilor Chan
has put forward a number of amendments
to um my notice of motion most of which
I'm happy to accept except for his
proposed amendments to Clause
15 um and I'd like to be able to address
them all in one go is that
possible
yes so Council
yeah you can do that coun that thank you
very much Lord mayor um this is an not
motion that recognizes the importance of
once again implementing an EO to trial
within the city of Sydney we've seen the
very successful Wong city um Council e
scoter trial that commenced in September
this
year this motion builds upon my pre
previous notice of motion from June last
year when I called upon on the city of
Sydney to participate in the then New
South Wales government's East gter
trial unfortunately instead of being a
leader in driving down emissions and
advocating for Alternative forms of
sustainable transport the city led by
the Clover Moore Independence amended
that June 22 um motion and in sought
instead to take a back seat and observe
other councils who were committing to
participating in that then East gter
trial due to the city's complacency in
September this year Woolen gong was the
first city center in New South Wales to
launch a dedicated East scooter trial of
some 300 E Scooters operating within
their City Hub the Woolen gong e scooter
trial highlighted incredible results in
just over 6 weeks more than 46,000 trips
were taken from the 300 strong Fleet of
E Scooters trial also demonstrated the
safety of those trials with incidences
remaining low and in line with the
expectations that had been
forecast despite having had almost 18
months to report back to council and
despite asking us as a council to
endorse the city of Sydney's access
strategy and action plan continuing the
vision at our June Council this year
there's been no response yet by the city
regarding how we can incorporate es
scooters into our transport Fleet
transition we've got bikes and we've got
ebikes but not e
scooters I've noted the Amendments that
Council Chan has requested and I accept
them all except for the changes he
proposes to uh paragraph
15 once again the changes that are in
paragraph 15 demonstrate the city's
being a follower in all of this rather
than a leader when it comes to
Alternative green transport options for
Sydney to reduce our emissions and meet
our net zero Target and yes I am a
liberal counselor and I do believe in
what the city is setting out to
do the Amendments fail to take any
action and they absolve the city of any
responsibility in leadership when it
comes to taking action on getting the
Carrs out of the city and encouraging
residents and visitors to go green with
an E scooter we can start our e scooter
trial now if we want to we have a
network on which bikes and ebikes travel
the there's no reason for the whole of
the bike Network to be finished before
we can try E
Scooters instead of waiting on the
Ministry of Transport and only getting
advice as to rather than actually
putting forward options for how we can
move forward unfortunately the
amendments to 15 make the city of Sydney
once again a second placed City when it
comes to Alternative green transport
Melbourne Adelaide Brisbane Perth even
Darwin have E Scooters and some of them
have had them for years London a city
that this Council admires a lot and La
have E Scooters but the Sydney of city
is still stuck in the Carr ages when it
comes to providing alternative energy
efficient
Transportation I'm hoping that the
support for this motion will further
address the signature issue of of
providing a framework as to how the city
can incorporate e SCS into its transport
Fleet transition and ensure that it is
actively encouraging and implementing
strategies that align with its own
policies the motion attempts to at least
provide a step in the right direction in
determining a plan to address the
inadequacy of the city's current
strategies for alternative
transport as we see with Woolen gong the
benefits of E Scooters are boundless
based on Australian wide statistics it's
estimated that throughout the duration
of the woong trial alone 45,000 km of
Carr trips were replaced by es scooters
increasing small business Revenue by
approximately $200,000 of incremental
spending you can hop on an e scooter at
Central come into town buy your coffee
whatever else you want to do take your e
scooter back to Central and you've done
nothing to damage the
city and it also saves around apparently
6,000 tons of Carrbon
dioxide many of these issues have been
raised in the past that have been raised
in the past with respect to issues
around ECA trials such as parking and
speed and helmets are now answerable by
apps and
Technology um and by the attention of
the local Council involved in actually
addressing their concerns that they have
such as mandatory parking spaces
insurance coverage can be included
in existing compulsory registration
schemes maybe while we're at it we can
advocate for bicycles and E bicycles to
be registed so Council Jared do you need
a minutes finish thank you I recommend
this motion to enable us to be again
leaders in what we talk
about so miss seconder Council
Ganon Council
Chan Lord mayor I wish to move my
amendments that I have circulated and I
wish to speak to the
amendment so
um so how does
that so right so you're
speaking thank you uh firstly the new
southwes government trial assessment
report be a second second for Council
your second
y Council Cox seconded the 15 y firstly
the New South Wales government trial
assessment report is not yet available
and secondly the need to prioritize safe
infrastructure for ES scooter riding
within the city of syney remains
critical I want to make it clear that
this is a trial that was introduced by
the New South Wales government it is not
reasonable to ask our CEO to report back
to Council on data and observations
conducted by the state government Lord
mayor this was not our trial Wong gong
is not in our city
however that being said my Amendment
does call on the CEO to request this
information from the new southwales
secretary of
Transport I also want to point out that
the will onone data presented tonight is
from neuron Mobility the commercial
share scheme operator of the E Scooters
from the Willing gong program the New
South Wales government is yet to
confirm or to formally assess the E
scooter trial across the various trial
locations that's why my amend ask the
New South Wales government on when their
assessment will be available and whether
they will include any independent
data cancer
Scot
CH Lord mayor the city of Sydney is
different to Wong gong as it has already
been discussed last year in the these
council chambers the new sells
government trial conditions allowed only
riding es scooters on bike paths and
shared paths at the moment most trips
would not qualify under the city of
Sydney due to the fragmentation of the
city's cycleway
Network as our cycleway Network becomes
more fully delivered the options for a
safer trial on separated bike paths
become greater councilor Jarrett rightly
points that we have bikes and
ebikes because that situation is
different right now cyclists can join
the flow of vehicle traffic on road to
fill in gaps in our cycleway network but
this option isn't available to people on
scooters due to the new self Welles
government and their trial that they're
doing now so really this is about safety
Lord mayor the reality of the city of
Sydney is that we have higher levels of
path congestion and contested space
compared to other councils in Regional
centers including the
ilara different speeds of Mobility
require different types of
infrastructure it is critical that E
Scooters are not in conflict with
pedestrians or Vehicles safety is at the
core of this matter for the city of
Sydney which is why I ask councilors to
continue to support the city separated
cycleway Network Brisbane City Council
has in fact introduced these scooters in
their city center and their own strategy
notes the dangers of es scooters of
confirmed e-mobility injuries presented
at Brisbane hospitals 92% related to E
Scooters and of those 78% were related
to sharing schemes es
scooters with the most people presenting
to emergency departments on a weekend or
a Monday between the hours of 6:00 p.m.
and 12: midnight a separate independent
study found that 46% of injured people
were riding without a helmet and alcohol
was inv involved in 27% of cases so the
best option is for our city to continue
to build safe and separated cycle rats
and for the New South Wales government
to continue to build safe and separated
cycleways as we continue to expand the
walkability of Sydney and continue our
work developing safe and efficient
cycleways cycling and Es scooters
provide the city with transport services
and infrastructure that enhance and
supplement travel walking cing as well
as the replacements for short Carr trips
especially for the first and last
kilometer Lord may we all want to see
this work to give this technology its
best chance particularly in regards to
the safety of our community once we have
the right infrastructure in place the
safety of our Riders we can ensure that
the city of Sydney can adopt an
e-mobility service model in a way that
serves all of those in Sydney one that
considers all future es scooter used
users cyclists pedestrians and drivers
thank you thank you Council
chair we're on the amendment moved by
Council
Chan do we have any other speakers so
I'll put the council Waring just one
thing I'd like to um just clarify um
councilor Jared says we're still in the
Carr era and I have to say I slightly
take offense to that because so you're
now speaking to I just can I speak to
that to the amendment you can speak to
the amendment
yes but I just like to say I don't
believe we are in the Carr era at all I
think we've well and truly moved on um
and we've proven that with all the uh
cycleways and you know bikes that we
have in our city and you've only got to
look out here at George Street to the
change that we've had out
there Council Wen thank you just further
to C councelor Wan's comment and also
councelor Chain's about the separate
cycleways and safety I've raised
previously uh particularly with Bridge
Road but also with all the cycleways
which we have actually rolled out in a
real haphazard way that uh it isn't safe
and I actually get approached on a
regular basis from cyclist themselves to
actually talk about how dangerous they
are in fact when I actually do walk uh
along the streets uh here in the city I
have many cyclists that are actually on
the roads and when I do speak to them
they say it is safer for us to be on the
roads than it is on the cycleways so in
terms of how we have not addressed key
things in the uh in George Street yes
cycle cyclists are not meant to be
driving uh riding their bikes along
George Street but they do because of the
limitations around the cycleway in the
city so although we think that uh Carrs
are not needed and that we're also
saying that East scooters may not be
their appropriate way when we look at
cities uh around the world and we look
at cities around this country we are not
in the same place when we come to
Sydney do I have any other
speakers we we had Yan Gil here last
week who is renowned urbanist who has
given us advice on um George Street and
given us advice on
cycleways and uh who has has has studied
many and advised many cities in
Australia and in in in the US and in
Europe um and um he uh was out here to
really report on progress that Sydney
had made since he first did a report um
some decade ago and he was very very
positive about the uh the progress that
um that Sydney has made so it is a fact
that um our our separated cycle ways
have dramatically increased usage and
say safety um have reduced numbers of
people in overcrowded um buses and
reduced numbers of Carrs in the city and
all that has been of great benefit in
terms of reducing emissions creating a
healthy environment improving air
quality and creating safe opportunities
we want to continue doing that um with
our separated bike Network we want to
then connect it up with the surrounding
uh cils so that we have a metropolitan
wide um safe healthy uh trans transport
option compared with with with the Carr
and um and and we have dramatic increase
in usage on our our bite Network since
we first started doing the counts back
in 2010 so um to say anything else is
really def is to is denying the facts
that you could see when you walk out
into uh into the City and no George
Street is is not a um a a street that
we've promoted um cycling on but
adjacent Kent Street is and Castle Ray
Street and pit Street and the numbers in
pit Street have gone up uh hugely in the
last couple of years so it it is a
planed Network it is providing safety
for people in this um alternative
transport option that it that is helping
us reduce emissions in the city and it's
a very very good thing for the city and
I think what council Chan has moved is
creating a again a safe option it's not
safe for scooters to be on the road
because they could be injured by Carrs
and I know pedestrians who would don't
like to share the foot path would be
very concerned about sharing the
footpath with the speed at which
electric scooters um get around so this
has been problems in other cities uh and
um providing us a safer alternative for
them on the separated cycleway is a much
better option and as others have said
the city of Sydney is not like the ilara
is not like Wen gong um and it is a much
more congested area and the wonderful
thing about it is all this fantastic
work we've done in the city means that
huge number huge increases of numbers of
pedestrians in the city post Co City's
really come alive again and um the
economy is really thriving because of
that and um and I think there's a real
celebration of what we've been able to
do here in George Street and in our
other streets so I strongly support um
Council Chan's
Amendment I'll put the amendment all
those in favor say
I
sorry those
against so I'm very happy to use my
casting vote to support the
amendment I'll put the
amended amended motion Council chair
amended motion um can I Lord mayor speak
to the substantive motion yes thank you
I do want to miss address Council on
some of the misinformation that has been
presented to our community about our
cycleway
infrastructure I do refute the public
comments made about our city separated
cycleway is being un underutilized when
that couldn't be further from the
truth cycling is gaining po popularity
bike trips in the city have more than
doubled since
2010 every week day more than 7,000
people now ride to work in the CBD that
is equivalent to seven full trains 116
full buses or 10 lanes of
traffic think about the Carrbon emissions
saved there the pit street cycleway is
also very popular as you've mentioned
Lord mayor there has been an average of
1,246 daily rides on the cycleway in
October and a total of
7,384 rides during the first week of
November before we built the cycleway in
August 2020 there was only an average of
1,000 weekly bike trips in pit street
from 1,000 to
7,300 separated cycleways are a standard
across the world because they save lives
and we must create a safe cycling
Network for those who choose this mode
of Transport in our Global City but also
for our e scooter
riders now councelor Jarrett um in the
in the motion has also presented how
this is good for business the city has
known about this when we have slower
streets
when we ensure that there's less room
for fast Vehicles people actually wander
around people get off their scooters
they get off their
bikes in fact businesses
along such transformations in terms of
our public streets have seen increased
sales increased sales from local small
businesses have been reported in such
diversities as our own Sydney Melbourne
Manhattan San Francisco
Toronto
in San Francisco in fencia Street where
this applies to E Scooters and cyclists
in a separated cycle way traffic lanes
were slimmed down to slow Carrs to
accommodate other users on the street
more than 60% reported an increase in
the number of customers 2third of
respondents describe how the increased
levels of pedestrian and e-mobility
micromobility including cycling and
scooters and other streets improved
business and sales I also want to draw
the attention of counselors to what
they've done in Manhattan the first safe
and separated protected Cycle Way which
is on 8th and 9th Avenue in
Manhattan this has in businesses have
experienced a 49% increase in retail
sales of local businesses along this
back Lane this matches up the data that
has been provided by neuron mobility and
finally in huton in the Netherlands with
its high levels of cycling scootering
and E scootering and walking retail
turnover has been 2.5 times higher per
square meter than elsewhere in the
country again the best option for our
city for our community is to continue to
build these safe and separated networks
and for the new southwales government to
do so as well so that e scooter riders
have a safe way to ride that is away
from pedestrians and vehicular traffic
we need a sensible
and comprehensive approach to City
Transport to ensure people can get into
and around the CBD conveniently cheaply
sustainably and
safely do I have any other speakers on
the um motions before so I'll put the
amended motion Council Wen thank you
just wanted to get some clarification
you made some generalizations Lord May
about facts not sure where the facts
have been obtained from but when we we
think about how people do move across
our city and they do utilize both the
cycle way and the foot paaths and the
roads um and and we're hearing that Cy
that the e scoters may be unsafe because
of the speeds I'm sure that there's uh
opportunities to be able to limit those
speeds on how they are used so they can
be used within uh the cycle ways uh to
make it more safer but when I actually
look out across the city and when I do
walk across our city it isn't safe for
all even though there is you know some
data suggesting about an increase around
the cycleways being used just wondering
is there some data to clarify what has
been utilized by yourself here Lord
mayor and also councelor chair around
has there been a reduction and do you
have the same data for the Carr usage and
Po and potentially the pedestrians that
actually walk because the cycle ways are
not safe I actually have been told by
many cyclists so this is not from ion
world and this is from cyclist
themselves that actually find that the
cycle ways are unsafe and they will
continue to use the roads because of
that safety Factor but if we're worried
about es scooters being at a particular
speed um some cyclists actually uh go at
speeds that are far greater than the
Carrs but there are opportunities when it
comes to E Scooters and I have used E
Scooters in both cber in Darwin and also
in Melbourne and they haven't all been
on a cycle way there are restrictions
how you can place that where they are
able to be moved and there are also
restrictions that can be put upon these
E Scooters to make sure they don't go at
particular speeds in high activity areas
we keep talking about how what's
happening across the globe in some
cities but we actually don't want to
talk about what is possible in this city
and it's some of those opportunities
that we should be able to access when it
comes to East good is in a trial for the
CBD or even for our whole LGA but start
to actually look at how you can make
things happen rather than how you
continue to make they make sure they
don't um CEO might give us some
information what I was going to say is I
think we could get a c update just on
the volumes of Carrs and pests and those
other things so we could just summarize
the data that we have um Mr woodrey you
would be that would be best to get it
all written out rather than to yeah okay
do that thanks we we collect data and
we've collected data for the period in
which we've been building the separated
cycle way so we have all those
figures all right I'll put the amended
motion to you all those in favor say
I those
against declare it Carrried to pass from
councelor
Wen item 15.4 Community recognition
statement Zebra
Lounge
Council gon thank you little May I'd
just like to move the notice of motion I
won't speak to it okay right
okay so we've got a
seconder council Jared I'll put the
motion to you all those in favor say I
those
against uh thank you Lord mayor I'm
abstaining which I understand will be
taken as a vote
against so that's unanimous apart from
councelor
elore item 15.5 Council submission to
the Explorer Street public housing
resoning
proposal thank you Lord mayor um I've
got two items left on the agenda but I
know that we've had a I'd like to move a
procedural motion that we um move
forward it item 15.6 for where we have a
number of interested people in the
audience who have been waiting very
patiently so that they don't need to
wait any longer I'm happy to if um I can
get a second a move that we consider
item 15.6 now and then we just consider
my items after that okay so so um that's
seconded by Council Scott so I'll move a
procedural motion that we deal with item
15.6 um that's been moved and seconded
I'll put that to you all in favor say I
those against declare it Carrried um
councilor
Scott thanks very much councelor Ellmore
and thank you to the very very patient
um people in red who've waited so
patiently for this tonight um I would
like to in particular Lord mayor
acknowledge Julie Bates AO who I know is
watching online and also the artist
Louis May who cannot be here because she
lives quite a long way away but who have
been since the very beginning such
passionate supporters of this project
and I'd also of course like to um
acknowledge the many other people who've
come along today we've got a member of
our disability advisory panel nushka and
so many others thank you so much for all
the commitment and work you've put into
this uh I've spoken before and it's no
secret about My Views about the absolute
dir of representation of women in
Sydney's public spaces we need more
statues and public artwork to reflect
the diversity of our community and we
need to keep and restore those very few
that we have which is why this motion
calls for a return of one such statue a
statue called Joe for a very brief
moment in the 1990s the corner of
Stanley and yurong streets in
darlinghurst held a statue of a woman
that was unique in the world and very
specific to the neighborhood and our
history Joy was in fact the world's
first statue of a sex worker she was
created by sculptor Louie Fraser as a
tribute to women and to the history of
East Sydney but was relocated to mCarri
University East Sydney wants and should
have joy back indeed hundreds and
hundreds of local residents and
businesses have signed a petition
calling for her to be returned a range
of other important stakeholders have
supported her return including the
Catholic healthc Carre community who
provide a wonderful aged Carre Facility
opposite the restoration service Joy is
an important part of the history of our
city just as sex workers that she
represents are an important part of the
history of East Sydney New South Wales
was of course the world's first
jurisdiction to decriminalize sex work
under former labor Premier Bob Carrr
allowing for stronger health and safety
outcomes for Professionals in the sex
work industry and protecting against
illegal sex traffi King I don't need to
tell the Lord mayor about the former s
South Sydney council's reforms that led
the world in changing regulation to
ensure planning compliance for sex
worker premises and creating safer legal
working environments for sex workers
these world-leading achievements came
about through the determined advocacy of
sex workers who showed tremendous
strength in their campaigning Joy
represents that strength and the women
who fought for their safety and their
dignity and their rights at a time when
they were heavily stigmatized for their
work she's wanted back by residents and
stakeholders around the importance of
this original site the uh Joy restoring
Joy is deserved by the women past and
present who played such an important
role in creating Sydney's history and
for Fighting For Better rights for sex
workers Lord mayor it's uh really
exciting to also be able to share with
the council that the ABC has
commissioned Compass to create a
documentary about the story of joy and
we hope if the council resolves so
tonight the journey to bring her home
it's an incredible story uh I know uh
the story of the artist in particular uh
of the vandalism that occurred to the
Statue uh is just waiting to be told and
I'm sure uh audiences will be so excited
to see it uh I have been asked by the uh
uh artist who cannot be here although I
know she's watching to just read out um
one further statement because um uh
there's some discussion to come uh the
artist Lou May has asked me to pass on
that the artist's main concern is that
the material of the original version of
Joy being of course concrete and marble
dust mix is not suitable for a permanent
piece of art back in this position uh in
the space of 18 months the original Joy
statue as again I'm sure councelor is
would be aware was vandalized to the
point of needing uh major repairs three
times even if restored the statue would
still be concrete and if reinforced from
the outside she can be attacked too
easily um and so uh in the long run the
cost would be much higher to um uh
simply restore joy in her original
position rather than proceeding with the
recommended bronze cast of Joy um and
she's asked me to pass on that the
bronze Edition will be an important uh
an exact replica of the original and
that this is the artist wishes Lord
mayor as the motion states uh I've
spoken with MCC University they're very
supportive to loan uh the current statue
of joy that is um the marble and
concrete statue if the city should
approve this resolution so that we can
uh create a bronze version uh and that
we've not yet come across a Community
member a business uh for a stakeholder
who's not prepared to strongly voice
their support for restoring this really
important statue uh of an incredible
woman who represents such an important
part of the history of e Sydney back to
the plin that is still there that has
not moved uh and is ready and waiting
for joy to be restored in this very
important part of Sydney so uh I endorse
the recommendation and encourage you to
support
it so do we have
a do we have a seconder um Council
illmore seconding it um
speakers councelor J did you have your
hand up to
speak okay do we have speakers Council
Walling um thank you councilor Scott for
this joyous motion um it's a very small
world in the last in the first few weeks
of joining Council my sister who lives
in Bangalore sent me the history of Joy
it just so happens she's the Carrer for
Louis Fraser or as my sister knows her
as Dorothy
May for decades I've walked past the
eurong Stanley Street location and
always noticed the plinth base but
wonder why there was no artwork on it
mystery
solved bringing Joy back to e Sydney or
a version of The Statue as councelor
Scott's motion also suggest does have
its
challenges um but listening think you
know I I was very much pushing towards
uh in this to uh only settle for the
original back in the place um it's
interesting to hear that um from your
notes that uh the university doesn't
believe that it's in a or the artist
doesn't believe it's in a position to be
uh reinstated
so I still would like uh for us to
inquire with the university on an
official level um just to inquire is is
the act statue available to come back to
the place um and if not um then I think
we should look at um potentially a
replica but I think what we also have to
un you know uh understand is
that the that um the city would want to
ensure sorry that the city would want to
ensure all artwork in the public domain
is Thoroughly considered it's why we
have the city's public art policy public
he acquisition guidelines and other
procedural policies and procedures so
you know I would love to see Joy back in
Sydney there is no doubt about that um
and uh I look forward to the next steps
thank
you sorry um do I have other
speakers coun just very briefly I'm very
happy to support this motion I wasn't
aware of the um history of Joy but I
think it's fantastic we've talked a bit
on this Council about
how we need to start um really
addressing the social history of what
our streets really are and who has lived
in our city the stories that are often
Untold um sex workers in in Sydney have
this incredible history in East Sydney U
not least of which helping to um put at
Great personal cost um have I how do I
put this I was talked about the police
so much tonight I was about to say
something really rude but I'm just going
to um in relation to the corruption that
existed um sex workers played a really
important leading role in exposing that
in the police and um in a historic way
at Great personal cost full respect I
think this is a great thing and I think
it will inspire more conversations about
the really important role that sex
workers have played in our community and
making our community stronger
thanks
so you have spoken on your
Amendment sorry I just meant to say that
um uh I'm supportive of my amendments to
this uh motion your Amendment so we're
dealing with your Amendment
now um
so so Lord we want to Second for the
amendment Deputy Lord may have you do
that thanks Lord mayor um as I um so are
we still dealing with the amendment C SC
as I um U emailed counselors uh I'm
supportive of the amendment Lord mayor
with the exception that I think it is
important to retain the final three
points so that is to consult with the
city's East Sydney community and as
Council Walling has outlined the public
art advisory panel on the best way to
reinstate the statue of joy to Stanley
Street and yurong streets to provide
funding in the 2023 24 CEO contingency
fund for a bronze reproduction of joy
and required work and Lord May I'm happy
to add there in line with the artist's
wishes and then Lord May the final
section reinstate a bronze uh like we
can just say sculpture of the his
historic statue of Joy with frame to the
corner of Stanley and yurong streets
with a historical plaque outlining the
history of these Works to the city of
Sydney Lord may I don't believe that
these three additional points which were
in the original motion are inconsistent
with the uh Amendment there's still the
opportunity for the city to have a
conversation with MC University about
the ownership of the uh concrete and
marble sculpture uh but I think what is
important is that the council respect
the artists wishes and that is that a um
bronze version of that be
reinstated uh and I think that it's
important to indicate that however the
discussions proceed with MC University
and uh I understand and respect
councilor Wallings uh desire for those
discussions to happen I'm I'm not
unhappy with that um but that the um
decision tonight be made that the you
know rest duration of the sculpture will
um occur you know irrespective of those
discussions so I think the amendment is
a good one I welcome the additional
information uh as long as those three
final points are
retained so I I think it's important
that you retain those parts of the
amendment I
do retain those yes
no I mean we we have a public art policy
we put everyone every other artist that
comes to the the city and says I want to
do I want to put a piece of sculpture
somewhere we we take it to our our our
art panel um if we didn't we'd have um I
won't say what we what it would be like
if we didn't have that policy um and and
and I and I think going through those
those those steps is the proper way is
is um a proper way of doing this I'd
like to say I was I was in I was a
member for the local area during the
'90s
I was the on the receiving end of the
distress but of a whole lot of people
that lived in the air at the time um and
it wasn't the sex workers that were
causing that but it was the associated
activity that happened around you that
um really caused amazing distress to a
lot of people now those people might
have moved on or not be around and we're
in a different era but there is a
history there and I think it's important
we talk to that community and they might
might all be very supportive and that's
fine I personally liked the statue of
Joy when she was there um that was my
personal view I I didn't um propagate
that to this distressed community that
was just my personal artistic view at
the time um but I very strongly
supported the reform of disorderly
houses act which was about legalizing
brothel and and supported in every way I
could sex workers um
uh when they were Trans in early days
and and and later on but I've got to say
it was a
real um tight rope because you had
people working on the street and you had
associate activity and you had a very
distressed community and trying to
manage that as a local member um was
sometimes very very fraud very very
fraud meetings and a lot of distress
going on so there I have lots of
memories of all of this this um and um
and and it sort of collided to with the
heroin epidemic and the AIDS epidemic
all these things going on in the area
during the '90s it was quite a time
actually for the area um and I was a
local member dealing with all of that um
and um I think it's really important
that we have that
consultation with with with the people
that live there now um they might all be
very happy to see Joy returned um or
they might have a different and I think
it's incumbent upon us to talk to them
because they were very distressed about
it at at the time and they took actions
that they shouldn't have taken in
defacing public art which is what they
did which I often think when people do
that it indicates that they're very um
very
distraught and and not and not feeling
listened to um and and that's not
something I I I in any way endorse but
that that's how humans behav in this
sometimes in these very fraud situations
so can you just remind me where we're
atoun okay so we're dealing with Council
Wallings Amendment do I have any other
speakers on Council Wallings Amendment
Lord may can I just clarify
then what is being moved it's the
original Amendment which original
Amendment which deletes the
um reinstatement of the statute and the
consultation with the community and the
public advisory panel and the
reinstatement of a bronze statute that's
what that's
deleting um council warling is
is yeah um we're absolutely keeping the
outcomes of broader Community
consultation on the pro on the
proposal so
five well the original amendment has the
outcomes of a broader Community
consultation on the proposal so it it it
does keep that and and I think that's
absolutely
vital what
the I think we're all on the same page
here we've got many people out tonight
in support of this and what we're
proposing just to be clear and this is
what I'm seeking to retain in the motion
is to consult the community and the
public art advisory panel and to
reinstate the bronze statute which is in
line with the artist wishes and to
provide funding for that Lord mayor I'm
happy to address the differing views if
you'd like I I obviously wasn't there at
the time speaking to the amendment when
the community felt strongly about this
and I do respect that that is the
history and it's certainly the history
that has been passed on to me from the
artist and others without um going into
into the length of the story uh the um
woman who lived across the road from the
original
sculpture had a tragic tale Lord May
which I'm sure you're very familiar with
um that she went away to attend the
funeral of her daughter uh who had died
and came home to find a sculpture at the
front of her house that she felt was a
statue of her daughter and she was
incredibly distressed by that and so uh
went and uh really significantly damaged
the sculpture um she was um over the
years I'm advised um at peace with the
sculpture uh but found it very difficult
in confronting having gone away to
attend the funeral of her daughter and
came come home to find what she felt was
a statue of her daughter placed in East
City so was it a statue of her daughter
uh well the artist again uh councilor
Walling and I have had these
conversations it's quite a tale the
artist advises um me and I'm sure your
sister that she uh was doing the statue
she had real trouble on multiple
occasions finalizing the statue with a
face she was uh trying to finalize the
statue and she had a vision through the
night of what the face looked like she
got up and completed the statue with the
face and it was uh at the same time as
this woman's daughter died so it is it
is a it is a incredible piece of art and
it is an incredible story and um there
is this whole incredible story of
reconciliation about how Louie Fraser
reconciled with the woman who uh whose
daughter had passed away um and it is I
think just you know such an incredible
Tale such a Sydney tale and such an
incredibly interesting historic tale
about not only the history of the area
but also the human element of creativity
that artists experience Lord mayor it's
why the story captured me so much it's
why I'm so passionate about having the
statue restored uh and even the artist
supports it the community supports it
we've door knocked the street the
businesses the residents um Bill and
Tony have signed it they've put the
petition up this is an incredible
supported local idea that the local
residents and businesses uh who have
signed the petition did so with very
welcoming arms to say that it would
reinstate this important historical
piece of art but also Lord mayor it
would create interest and attraction to
the east Sydney area perhaps not only on
the weekends when we have Sydney streets
as we've already discussed tonight Lord
mayor but at other times uh this is an
incredibly
remarkable story and a very unique piece
of art uh I support Consulting The
Advisory panel I support Consulting the
community it's why it's in the
recommendation Lord mayor but I would be
really really grateful if we could uh
make a commitment tonight to restore the
the bronze statue to its home on the
plinth in East Sydney so councilor
Walling could I suggest that on um seven
you delete on the best way to rate the
statue of Joy on staining Street in your
WR Street
because you were still asking the
community in the public art panel what
what they they uh what their view is and
I think that's being respectful to both
our policy and to the to the East India
Community um and then once that
Community consultation and the um the
advice from the public advisory panel
has has been received that would be then
we would take the next
steps
um correct um I absolutely you know you
know support you know you know the
attempt to get joy back um into a
rightful sorry uh getting joy into the
rightful place and I think it's it's
wonderful we've got so many support here
and I know that Louis herself will be
supporting for this and I think it's
great that there's been door knocking um
around the area but I think we have to
make sure that um it goes through the
proper procedures I'm sorry you've
already spoken to the amendment
so could we
clarifi well I'm I'm just asking Council
Walling if he's prepared to uh Delete
the words on the best way to reinstate
the statue of Joy on to St Street and
eurong Street as it's preempting any
advice from the community and any advice
from the public art panel I accept that
and and then you um and then leave it
leave the rest of it until we get that
advice from the community and advice
from the public art
panel Lord may may I say something about
with respect to this incorporation of
these wonderful amendments is we just
insert Council Wallings amendments and
let the process
flow we we're we won't you know it won't
I certainly won't be accepting the
dations from Council warling I can
understand that we insert the Amendments
made by Council Waring
but this whole process is about a
recognition and a
restoring of a statue of amazing woman
in a form that will survive any sort of
um Angry disapproval of what the statue
stands
for you
can't okay
can means we ask
for yes the CEO has some advice for
Council and I agree with it so what I'm
just trying to clarify here is that just
this is just so the staff understand
what what it is that you're seeking so I
understand that we're being I'm looking
at councelor um warlings you're asking
that we investigate firstly will the
original can we um acquire the original
sculpture y um acknowledging the
controversy and the background
acknowledging that we have to work
through the art with the artist to you
know confirm the moral rights and all of
that process um taking it to the public
art panel to make sure it's consistent
with our policy um noting though that
the condition of the sculpture May
prohibit us doing this right so I think
what was missing is that
you know so we we need to speak to the
community we need to speak to the artist
and we need to speak to our policies
right then we either are able to
reinstate the original sculpture but
failing that we are seeking advice on
what an alternative sculpture would
be councilor Scott is suggesting bronze
and if that's the resolution then we
come back obviously in the budget
process and say we've done this work we
are recommending a new sculpture needs
to be created and this is the cost that
it's going to be and that would be in
the budget so I think the only thing
that's missing from my understanding is
that should as we've been advised
already the existing sculpture may not
be able to be reinstated we need to be
sure that we are also saying therefore
what what is the best form for the a a a
reprodu uction or a new sculpture based
on this one because of course there's
the issue of creating the sculpture but
there's also the the issue of a plen
that can take such a sculpture so
there's we been through this there's a
lot that goes into it um so if we
Council wng if we simply added um you
know should the the condition of the St
whether it is a risk of being
vandalized the outcome of a border
community and if and an Al if required
an Al
alternative
um way to to create the
alternative um creation of a new or
reprod reproduced sculpture is that
right does that make sense well it does
it's it's just we there are processes we
need to go through talk to the community
and um sorry councilor Scott I haven't
called you um and and and
also consult the design advisor panel so
that's really what we need to do before
we take further action about um uh the
next steps so that's that's where we're
at with the um the
amendment so um we we shouldn't do eight
and nine because that's
that's that's
preempting the information we'll get
from the community and it's preempting
the information we'll get from the um
the the the TIC advisory panel for the
people who are here watching this you
may very well get exactly what you want
but the processes that we have to go
through um and
um and and we and we will do
that and and when we've gone through
those processes of course come back to
you Lord may could I just I think this
achieves what we're trying to do because
I think we're all very much on the same
page here in seven and 8 you could
simply just add if supported by the
community and if
required and that well I think with with
seven we just delete on the bis way to
reinstate the statute of joy to street
yurong street we so because we
Consulting first of all with the
community and then we are Consulting
with the design advisory panel with the
art advisory panel and then we're
assessing the funding through the um the
uh budget process and if all of that
works out we can go ahead with with a
new statute on the other hand we might
still be able to require acquire it from
mcquire University yeah so that's why if
you just add if supported by the
community Lord Marin if required it
allows the staff to
progress without having to bring it back
to council if it's supported by the
community if it goes through the
process um look I don't like doing
um making making policy on the run like
this I'm going to move an adjournment
for 15 minutes so that's seconded by
theut Lord mayor I'll put that to you or
as in favor say I those against declare
it Carrried so we'll come back in 15
minutes at 20
to9 so I'll I'll move that we reconvene
the meeting and I'll go to councilor
warling who has um his amendment to move
which has been
circulated thank
um first I'll uh remove my previous uh
Amendment um and you have the one in
front for you the new one in front the
changes are in B Council requests the
chief executive officer be requested to
investigate acquiring the original
Statue Of Joy from aquari University to
be reinstated at the corner of eurong
Stanley Street East
Sydney two consult the city's local East
Sydney community and public art advisory
panel on reinstating the statue of Joy
or replica to Stanley Street and urong
Street and point three report back to
council with the outcomes of the
consultation and the advice of the
public art advisory panel and options to
bring joy or a replica back to as
Sydney so
second Council de
admit do I have any um
contributions Council Scott Lord mayor
thanks I'm just a bit unclear
so um it still doesn't include the
provision for funding or is not in line
with the artist wishes to ensure that
it's a
bronze
statue uh and it doesn't it does it
doesn't it doesn't mention the word
bronze but it talks about Joy or a
replica of Joy um and options to bring
to bring a replica back to Sydney
clearly it have to be
funded okay so Lord may can we insert
the words bronze replica because I don't
think so because we're going to take
advice from the public art
panel okay but that is what the artist
has and we've removed the section about
the intellectual property of the
artist which the the artist would have
to address the public art art panel
that's there's a process that all um uh
artists have to go through in order to
get their work um accepted and funded in
a public place in the city and that's
what what she would have to
do and it's and it's covered here it's
General enough to cover
that CEO is going to have to report on
the options to bring joy or replica back
to a
Sydney well that the options would
include the budget
yes
okay Lord May and it's deleted the
provision for funding for the 2023 24
CEO contingency fund can I ask where
that
is it it's deleted the funding no it
hasn't I mean clearly if we're to bring
joy or replica to Jo back to the um the
council would have to get advice about
the uh the budgetary options it's I
think it's it's covered there in three
report back to council with the outcomes
of the consultation and the advice the
public advis advisory panel and options
to bring joy or replica back to e Sydney
well Lord may could I just ask that we
put a time frame on that then we've got
people here tonight very passionate
about it we've got the ABC here who are
very keen to make the documentary is
there some time frame that we could
place on this for it coming back to
council well I I don't see how we can I
mean we're resolving to do this and I
expect the CEO will
take every steps to do it as Expedition
iously as
possible could we ask the CEO when it
might come back sorry could we ask the
CEO for advice about when it might come
back we we can I don't think
she Lord mayor look we have to do
consultation we have to speak to the
artist and understand all of the
concerns and conditions of the artist we
have to do consultation in the community
we have to take all of that information
back to the public art panel uh we have
to then conceptualize what the future if
there's going to be a replic what that
looks like what that costs um the time
frame for doing that so I look we'll do
it as quickly as we can and it has to
come back to council and so it's it's
immaterial which budget comes out of
because a report has to come back to
council saying this is the
recommendation this is the timeline this
is how much you
need well Lord mayor I'm glad that we're
proceeding in some way but I think it is
disappointing I think the community want
an answer tonight the 400 people who
signed a petition wanted an answer the
multiple stakeholders who've become
engaged in this wanted an answer um
tonight they're not going to get it um I
hope that we can do it within the year
and make sure that we can see it um up
by next November I think that's a a
reasonable uh request and I think it is
important to ensure that um the many
people who are pushing for this um the
idea to reinstate this did not start
with me um but for the artist for the
community for the supporters um I think
it is it's important that we do it as
quickly as
possible so I'll put the um motion to
you oh Council
welon thank you Lord mayor I actually
was hoping to speak before we went for
that 40 minute break uh just wanted to
put on record that you know you all know
that I'm a big advocate for representing
in the public
domain uh whilst I'm still campaigning
for a statue of Pang that has a th000 uh
people that have signed petition and as
you referred to here tonight about your
artist Eye and your artist view Lord May
uh the key issues that you also referred
to as about when you was a uh the local
member of so many of the people that
spoke to you in such a negative way
through those biases and what they have
actually undertaken to have a negative
view on anyone in our community that was
in that day and it appears that it's
still in this day when I think about
what I have put forward in this Council
and also was what Dr Karen Phelps put in
the previous Council around trying to
get a the first Aboriginal woman to be
recognized in a statute in actual fact
the first Aboriginal person to be
recognized in a statute here in this
city is still yet to be done and I know
there's some processes that everyone
actually wants to tick off on but it
actually talks about our commitment so I
commend uh councelor Scott for bringing
this forward to make sure that those
biases that actually drove uh joy out of
our city hopefully will be returned with
the artist preference in a meaningful
way I am supportive of recogniz
recognizing more women and celebrating
our City Community in all its diversity
with all of the uh biases that exist and
the barriers that exist while we don't
have our women represented and whether
they be a sex worker or whether they
actually be the truth teller of language
in this country that has moved forward
for everyone in this city and we haven't
recognized we will not recognized until
we actually get it done using statutes
to commemorate those who wouldn't have
traditionally been it is powerful and it
is needed there is a truth telling that
is not done and yet we still don't do it
we are deferring yet again or we're
waiting and we're waiting and we'll wait
some more hopefully that we can get it
done in this term of this Council and
not wait it for another one thank you
councilor Scott for raising the motion
and acknowledging those I need to
acknowledge those that are here tonight
those that are represented online but
also for the counselors that really want
to make sure our city is inclusive
without those biases and certainly
without with all of us being included
let's bring joy back and let's also
recognize some of the Ci's first
people
CEO would like to give Council some
information um Lord may just through you
and for the counselors and look the
consultation is one thing but I do want
you to understand what it takes to make
a bronze sculpture I mean you do
understand that SC that the artist needs
to you know be satisfied with the mold
that is made you have to find someone to
make the mold the artist has to be
satisfied with the mold you have to find
a Foundry that will cast it so if it if
it was a bronze sculpture just all of
those steps and all of that procurement
is does take time is all I'm trying to
say is that it's not a question of um
you know the consultation is one part
but actually fabricating a sculpture
does take time and you know we also have
procurement processes that we have to go
through we have to find the right people
so I'm just just trying to say you know
I understand you want us to go as
quickly as possible but it does take
time to create um those works thank you
thank you so I'll put the motion to you
all those in favor I'll put the
amendment to
you all those in favor say
I those
against amendments
Carrried so we're going back to the
amended motion I'll put the amended
motion to you all those in favor say
I those against declare cured
unanimously thank
you thank you for
attendance item 15.5 Council submission
to the Explorer Street public housing
resoning
proposal so Council elore thank you
councilors uh these are the final two
notices of motion for the night and
they're related um the first is in
relation to explor Street um councilors
would have seen on the papers a motion
um the earlier version of the motion I'm
going to move an amended alternative
motion which has now been circulated to
counselors in hard
copy one has that
Cy this item
15.7
15.5 all
right thanks great councilors um the
city of Sydney has completed submission
for the Explorer Street resoning which
is unfortunately a project I was
optimistic we wouldn't have to fight
because the state government had
committed that it wasn't going to
privatize public housing and yet we've
seen the first state Le resoning to be a
submission of a successful um long
running relatively new public housing
estate in Ely or Kenville which is home
to it has 46 homes and people who lived
in that estate for up to um 30 years
since it was first established and also
people who were moved from Miller's
point and told they were never going to
have to move again after the state
government sold off and relocated that
historic Community who are now being
told they need to move one more time
because of a resoning because their land
is uh too valuable to leave their
successful public housing estate alone
this um notice of motion asks because
Council has written a submission made it
available to the community to help them
write their submissions deadlines closed
on the 1st of December for rezoning um s
asks that we can um provide a
supplementary submission with further
information um I was requested to put
this forward by the community there was
a public meeting that myself and
councelor Davis attended a couple of
weeks ago jointly organized by friends
of Kenville the Alexandria residence
Action Group and red watch and at which
um residents from the um Explorer Street
estate spoke about their concerns and
their opposition to the proposal that
their homes be demolished and that they
move on um I have after Consulting with
those groups put forward some uh points
which I hope Council will support could
be included in a supplementary
submission Focus specifically about the
city's expectation of community
engagement it doesn't propose the
specific words but rather it um proposes
that we include the principles or
general points and that the CEO be
authorized to finalize and submit this
information in line with this decision
um to briefly spoke to speak to some of
those points they are before counselors
but people I know at home are listening
and do not have a copy um I'm proposing
that the additional information that the
city provide with its submission to the
Department of planning be that um we
should emphasize that a robust
transparent and open consultation with
public housing tenants should be a pre
prerequisite of all plans to develop
public housing that we should include
recommendations about tenant engagement
in the design and delivery of the
program project and better consult with
the wider Community best practice should
include involving public housing tenants
in co-designing or actively playing a
leading role in future plans for their
house houses they know the community
they know what will work there and we
know from overseas that you get better
housing if you actually talk to the
people who are going to live in it
particularly with vulnerable communities
like public housing tenants I'm also um
proposing that we note that there's a
high level of anxiety and concern
amongst tenants about the proposal
amongst those who are aware of the plans
I was able to door knock the estate with
um and there's more door knocking going
on with the local MP Jenny Leong MP MP
uh greens MP and she's currently
surveying tenants to try and get some
more feedback to inform um her local MP
submission and a lot of the tenants knew
about it but a lot of the tenants didn't
and we had Tenants come out with copies
of letters they'd been given which was
to be quite Frank a relatively technical
version that ticks all the boxes to say
we have told you what is going on this
but it didn't say this resoning is
proposed to demolish your home um we had
one person who did not have great
English who was saying I think it was
this letter and they didn't understand
it and when we asked um the
representatives from land and housing
and the department of planning that PE
we said to them people do not understand
the implication of this you've extended
the consultation for two weeks but they
don't really understand what is proposed
here we were told but I letter box that
um myself they went to all 46 houses it
doesn't matter if you letter box it it
matters if the person who receives the
information understands it that's the
purpose of the consultation it was a to
be quite Frank smug and heartbreaking
resp actually it's just been it was just
anyway um it's not consultation it was
that's not that's so I think it's very
important that we as the city say that
say we expect more in terms of community
engagement and we talk about what
exactly that means because clearly there
seems to be an expectation that the
consultation is being done well at least
from the agencies involved in this
process um as I mentioned earlier I've
asked that we note that there's a number
of public housing tenants who live at
that a state who've lived there for more
than 20 years I spoke to someone who had
was the third generation of an abigal
family living in that State um and that
includes people relocated from Miller's
point who were told they would never be
forced to move again it says that we
should Advocate that agencies at minimum
follow the C compact for Renewal which
was what partly followed by the previous
state government um around how you
should engage with public housing
tenants I mean to be honest it was a big
fight to even get the state government
to commit to things in that policy like
there will be respect for public housing
tenants so it's a bloody low bar but I
think it's important to reference ref
that work that has previously been um
developed with the community and there's
a few other points here but finally that
we need to Advocate and I think this is
partly in the city's submission but
could be strengthened they're not
proposing to build enough apartments
that would be able to take back the
families that are currently there if
they want to come back so any comments
about a right to return and we should be
advocating that people have a mandated
right for um to return as the Lord mayor
has included in her minute about
Waterloo but the current proposal is
um that there will be some apartments
but they're banking that some people
won't want to come back and they're just
not planning to build enough family
homes to let the families come back but
they're telling everybody if you want to
come back you can for a proposed
expansion of public housing that isn't
good enough people should have a right
to return and they should have a right
to be relocated in the community that
they the local area in the meantime that
was the main thing that I heard to be
honest I heard from people we don't want
our state to be demolished but they were
open to more housing being built if it
meant
they could stay nearby and still be
connected to the community they' always
lived in there is nothing in any of the
state government policies or legislation
that allows protection of that it's a
really straightforward ask it's about
not breaking up communities um and I
think the city could be explicit in
advocating for that through
supplementary information through its
submission thank
you second councilor Scott councilor
Scott thanks Lord mayor uh I support
this notice of motion and I um thank uh
counselors for the work they've done to
engage with the tenants I've also Dawn
up these residents uh as with all these
um um renewals and uh processes to
create more public housing it is a very
uncertain time uh and as I did earlier I
think it is really important to
recognize that uh I think the design and
the public consultation about what this
future public housing will look like is
going to be really important um and I
endorse the call from the tenants to
ensure that that the future plans allow
for their rights of return uh minimizing
disruption and ensuring that there is a
tenant voice uh occurring through the
process uh Lord mayor it's been a very
long time since we have had a proper
investment of money both federal and
state in new public housing uh I think
it is disappointing and I'm very happy
to call out when the engagement
processes with tenants are not done
correctly just letter boxing and leaving
something under the door is insufficient
I think we should just call that out
really plainly if you're going to speak
to somebody about changing their home
then I think it is right and proper to
like we have all done door knock them
and have a conversation with people uh
so I'm disappointed to hear that I look
forward to continuing to talk to this
community right throughout the process I
welcome the city undertaking a
submission on behalf of residents and I
think alongside I'm sure many other
counselors around this table we all look
forward to seeing a world where again
there is well-designed adequate housing
people can return to their homes in this
lovely Community but but we're able to
make more public housing available in
the time of a housing
crisis okay so I'll um Council W thank
you Lord mayor just wanted to say there
are some I think uh councel Ellmore for
this motion there are some really
important recommendations put forward in
this motion uh relocations up in the
lives of some of the most vulnerable
people in our community we need to hear
their voices and we need to ensure that
we're engaging
quickly I'll put the motion to you all
those in favor say I those against
declare it Carrried uny thank you item
15.7 public housing tenant voice in
Redevelopment of public housing
El thank you Lord mayor and um I move
the last item of the night and also it
is an alternative motion thank you to
councelor Chan um for some feedback
around amendments that I hope councilors
have before them it is the original
motion plus an additional Point noting
um because we're going to be talking
comparing London Council that we have a
different jurisdiction here and also
additional actions at Point D that the
Lord mayor be requested to write to the
minister for housing um and Minister for
planning and public spaces calling on
the New South Wales government to
consider International models for
managing social housing Redevelopment
projects mandate a general right of
return for all residents a genuine right
of return for all residents in social
housing Redevelopment projects and
Implement requirements to promote the
rights Andor engagement with social
housing residents in the Redevelopment
of their homes not to speak very long to
this one because I know we're all Keen
to get home but also because I know from
speakers to counselors that you're all
strongly in support of the direction of
this motion we've talked a lot tonight
about how there is no protection in
legislation for public housing tenants
to have a voice really at any aspect of
the development proposal um for public
housing there's no right to be involved
in designing the plans there's no right
to um if you're going to be relocated to
say where you'll be relocated you have
no right to return and public
consultation is often presented as
something that will slow things down we
know that we can do much better and if
we look to our an similar jurisdiction
in London there the councils have
established after a horrific history of
demolishing and ruining local
communities with bad Redevelopment of
public housing Estates they have gone as
so far as um to entrench rules that say
you cannot they act more like the state
Authority which has the ability to do
this and say we won't approve a
development unless but has the um they
say unless you are going to involve
public housing tenants um at the
beginning and they that is usually
through the election of someone who's
going to of a board that's going to
co-design the project there's a ballot
at the end so if the community is not
involved in the plans and they don't
like the plans they can reject them and
the fact that they get a vote at the end
means that there is genuine consultation
through the process that there is um
that has not led to development stopping
in fact it's led to a lot of infill
development in a States but in a way
that supports and protects the community
and better housing right it has tend to
led to staged projects where the um they
will redevelop one part of the estate
and then whoever has to move out only
has to move out temporarily so they can
move back in and in that way you keep
people connected but you also in by
involving people the whole way through
the design process you get housing
designed at the end that's actually
going to work for that Community because
they know that Community how they're
aging what their families need um my
proposal is that we consider where
although we have so many fewer Powers as
the city of cityy council um what could
we do creatively to try and develop some
sort of best practice guide that says
let's learn the lessons of how this can
be done better you don't have to
bulldoze literally bulldoze communities
and bulldo over the top of tenants
rights what can we do to try and set a
standard to say this is how communities
should be engaged that can work and can
leave us with better and more housing at
the end of it and not frankly devastate
people's lives in the process that is
the purpose of this um notice of motion
its action is quite modest and that it
asks for advice for the CEO about what
might be possible um and the I very much
welcome the additional action that we
write to the the state government to
Advocate um for considering the sort of
London model councilors might remember
we did raise this directly with the
minister for housing when she came and
briefed us and the response was that's
interesting it's the sort of thing we
should look at but these things take
time I don't think that respecting
people when you're bulldozing their
homes in a project that's due to take
five years um putting off actually
working out how to involve people with
respect at the beginning is not one of
the things you should delay till after
you've already bulldozed their community
so I really welcome that and I thank the
Lord mayor and her team for the
opportunity to work on some amendments
um putting up this
motion Council chair do you wish to
Second it and speak yes thank you thank
you Lord mayor I'd like to thank Council
elore for this very important motion
which I support um as has been relayed
my Amendment aims to strengthen the
motion by requesting the Lord mayor to
write to the relevant ministers calling
on stronger tenants voices in the right
of return given that social housing
Redevelopment projects are on state
government
land while at the city of Sydney the
engagement that we do with our
communities is Central to the Vision
that has already been set out to
sustainable Sydney 2030 2050 continuing
the vision the strategy for the
achievement of the vision is the
community engagement strategy and
participatory plan participation plan
for 2023 council is well aware of the
importance of community engagement is
Central to planning processes at the
city of cdy the city provides numerous
avenues for Community consultation this
includes public exhibition and
notification of applications and
proposals members of the public can
address councilors at our transport
Heritage and planning committee
community members can speak at the
meetings of the central Sydney planning
committee as well as the local planning
panel there's a community representative
on the local planning panel as well if
the city of Sydney is the planning
Authority or the consent Authority for a
DA which are different functions there
are mandatory requirements that the
counil must meet in relation to public
exhibition and the notification
processes including men time frames and
to consider submissions at the
development application da stage it is
possible for the consent authority to
include a proponent lie Aon condition
which requires regular consultation
between the proponent and the affected
parties in this case the tenants and or
the community however the city doesn't
have legisla powers in relation to
tenants rights unlike the Preamble
reference to London Council Burrows in
London own public housing giving them
considerable control whereas the city of
Sydney does not they're largely the
responsibility of the New South Wales
government the rights of public housing
tenants are best Advanced through
dialogue with the owners and managers of
public housing being the new southwes
government that's why my amend amendment
resolves that the Lord May WR to the
state government seeking improved
approaches our community engagement Str
strategy and Community participation
plan cannot put obligations on
proponents
the city Advocates to the land and
housing Corporation and the plan
Department of planning and environment
in relation to Consulting with the
state's tenants and The Wider Community
thank you thank you so we have um got an
amended a
varied right so you move the amended
motion yes that's right Lord mayor I
moved in alternative motion which
Incorporated the Amendments okay so I
put it to you all there say I well
Council Wen thank you I just wanted to
make a quick comment Lord mayor um apart
from advicing my support for this motion
I also wanted to make sure that there
was some recognition for the abigal
housing Alliance uh group there's a
number of abigal organizations that have
you know made that change in red waterl
um and particularly I'd like to give
mention although it hasn't been captured
in your Bo M minute or any of the
reference to the community groups that
have engaged or should be engaged or
wrote to from Council is that the likes
of Warren Roberts and the work that he
has done by bringing a number of
Aboriginal organizations that are
dealing with tenants but also housing um
and housing need uh they he he also
needs to be included and also commended
for the work that he is doing the uh the
15% minimum abigal housing that took
place in rern w l is because of that
concerted effort that Warren has
undertaken and I think he needs to be
recognized for that and certainly needs
to be included by
Council so I'll put the motion to you
all those in favor say I those against
declare it Carrried you thank you very
much thank you for your
attendance